Mitch Marner: what now?
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I can safely say that I don't care about minute cap details anymore and neither should any fan really.
Guilt Trip
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That's the best stuff. I think it's hilarious. It has to piss him off and that's a bonus!Zee said:
Guilt Trip
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Why wouldn't it? And why do you have to question everything?Nik the Trik said:
Guilt Trip said:
That's kinda that point of a discussion board man.
Kin
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Guilt Trip said:
Because the implication that Dreger is getting information from Paul Marner isn't scandalous or improper no matter how "creatively" it's framed? The whole business that Dreger is in is relaying information from sources to a public that seems pretty interested in obsessing over every little piece of information about these things. The idea that Dreger is simply relaying one camp's information as some sort of negotiating tactic seems pretty insignificant(and untrue, I'm sure Dreger would love Dubas to be telling him stuff too) compared to the larger question of access merchants in general trying to remain friendly to sources by not publishing any bad/damaging information or opinions on the job they're doing seems like a much worse breach of journalistic ethics.
But also, just in general, I think it's kind of embarrassing that in both cases of the Leafs having difficult contract negotiations there's been this narrative constructed and swallowed whole by gullible fans that somehow the offending party is the player's dad without really a shred of actual concrete proof.
Zee
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Nik the Trik said:
Dreger on the radio soon after all the "Paul" stuff started mentioned he wasn't getting his information from the family so he was definitely aware of all the twitter comments and felt the need to address them. I think it's safe to say it bothered him. There were other radio personalities also bringing the whole Twitter thing against Dreger up at other times too, not just when Dreger was interviewed.
Guilt Trip
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Discuss? Absolutely. Question everything so one can spew their side all the time? No.CarltonTheBear said:
Zee
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Nik the Trik said:
Except it's widely known that Paul Marner is heavily involved so there's a reasonable chance Dreger has talked to him quite a bit. Mirtle on the latest SDP podcast when asked if Paul Marner was involved in negotiations said 100% and "everyone knows that" (paraphrasing here)
Guilt Trip said:
There is no threshold or limit for how much a poster is allowed to post here. The comment you're referring to ended up creating a perfectly reasonable discussion between posters on a discussion board. That's what comments are supposed to do... spawn more conversations. I don't understand what your problem is with that. If you really want to try and explain it further, please do it through PM and let's keep this thread clear for discussing how much we all hate Marner's dad.
Kin
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Zee said:
I haven't seen a single piece of reporting by a credible source that details the way in which Marner's dad is "involved" in these negotiations so, honestly, I don't think it is widely established as fact. We saw a lot of the same speculation during the Nylander negotiations and a lot of later reporting that said it was all nonsense. I think right now, especially in this media landscape, it's a pretty safe bet to assume that we don't really know anything that isn't reported as true to be true and, while I generally think that Mirtle is a good reporter, I think it's a serious problem in modern sports media that he'd say that off-handedly in a podcast without actually putting his name to a byline detailing what's actually going on.
But that's where we get back to my original point. If Marner's dad is "involved" in the negotiations then by the standards of the "NHL insider" business there's nothing improper about getting information from him. Along those lines, if Marner's camp is releasing stuff to the media as a means of negotiating tactics, it's a lot more likely that Dreger's stuff would be coming from Marner's agent as opposed to a family member because...why take the extra step? He's not smuggling secrets out of Cold War Bulgaria.
Zee
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Nik the Trik said:
Who said it was impoper? The original discussion was about Dreger getting mocked on social media due to the fact he was essentially negotiating Marner's side through his account. His own colleague Bob McKenzie scoffed at the idea of a real offer sheet coming for Marner but every day Dreger kept reporting that many teams were interested and the offers could be "in the teens". If he can't vet his own source and realize he's being played he deserves all the mockery he got.
Frank E
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Would it really be weird if a 22 year old was getting advice from his parents on a contract worth millions of dollars? I think it would be weird if his parents weren't involved.
But really, this is just some fans making a villain out of a parent because Marner hasn't signed for some stupid low number.
It was boring to read last fall with the Nylander negotiation, and it's boring with Marner's.
But really, this is just some fans making a villain out of a parent because Marner hasn't signed for some stupid low number.
It was boring to read last fall with the Nylander negotiation, and it's boring with Marner's.
Kin
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Zee said:
I'd be the first to confess that I don't follow Dreger's twitter account because I tend to disregard the entire insider business but 1.1 million people do follow him and he's gainfully employed by TSN in doing this so you might want to re-evaluate who's getting played in this set-up.
The whole business is based on repeating rumours and half truths. Teams are "interested", not making offers. Offers "could be" in the teens. You're kidding yourself if you think this is a Dreger specific thing. I've specifically heard Friedman asked about a Marner offer sheet and he basically said the same thing.
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