OldTimeHockey
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herman said:
You'd hope Dubas at least sent him a card.
Montreal offer sheets Aho [update: Canes match]
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You'd hope Dubas at least sent him a card.
Guilt Trip
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But Aho got what he wanted here. If not, he wouldn't have signed it. They essentially forced Waddell to come up to 8.5Peter D. said:
bustaheims
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Peter D. said:
I'm not sure I agree. Aho's only goal is to get a contract that he feels pays him at a rate commensurate with his performance. He succeeded in that. Bergevin, on the other hand, has the goal of trying to put himself into the best position to acquire the player he's signing to an offer sheet. He did not succeed there. In fact, it wasn't even close. I don't blame him for trying, but he definitely did not push things as far as he could. He purposely structure the contract so it fell in the threshold where the team would only give up one 1st, a 2nd, and a 3rd round pick, hoping that the lump sum payments would be enough to force the Canes' hands. He should have known that, at that level of compensation, they'd absolutely find a way to make it work. Had he offered a little more - say, an AAV of $9M, with the same frontloaded structure, getting a second 1st round pick in addition to the extra cash layout might have been enough to give them pause. The fact that Carolina responded so quickly makes it pretty clear that Bergevin's move was not nearly strong enough.
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I'm with Peter on this one. I like the move that Montreal made in an attempt to sign a free agent. Since Aho signed, he was obviously happy with the deal and clearly, it was a better deal than what Carolina was offering.
Though I enjoy the humour used by Carolina, I actually find Waddell's smugness irritating. One hand, you can say that Mtl's offer wasn't strong enough if Car matches automatically; on the other, you can question why Car wasn't offering a better contract to Aho. Perhaps they were just waiting him out and this was Aho's way of expediting the matter.
The curious part is why Mtl didn't bump it up to the next level ($8.6M), requiring compensation of two 1sts, a 2nd, and a 3rd. Carolina probably still matches, but at least Mtl would be offering higher value in the "trade".
Though I enjoy the humour used by Carolina, I actually find Waddell's smugness irritating. One hand, you can say that Mtl's offer wasn't strong enough if Car matches automatically; on the other, you can question why Car wasn't offering a better contract to Aho. Perhaps they were just waiting him out and this was Aho's way of expediting the matter.
The curious part is why Mtl didn't bump it up to the next level ($8.6M), requiring compensation of two 1sts, a 2nd, and a 3rd. Carolina probably still matches, but at least Mtl would be offering higher value in the "trade".
Kin
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Peter D. said:
Would you? Or would you look lucky?
It's kind of like buying a lottery ticket. Sure there's no catastrophic downside but the upside isn't being hailed as a genius and in the far, far, far likelier event of it failing...well, there's a reason the lottery is called a tax on the foolish.
Kin
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Bullfrog said:
Well, yeah. I mean, if someone signed Marner to a 5 year/10.45 million offer sheet the Leafs would probably match. Does that mean they're dummies for not just offering it in the first place? I guess there's something to be said for avoiding the kerfuffle but given the historical nature of the RFA market and the reality of having the ability to match in your back pocket, is it really a bad decision to try and negotiate a player down from what he wants?
Guilt Trip
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lolherman said:
Guilt Trip
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Well Berg probably offered him 9 mill for 7 years lol. Does anyone think Marner would sign an offer sheet with Montreal?Zee said:
Guilt Trip
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And hell froze over. Dont see anyine paying him 1.5 mill more then McDavid. I also still dont think he signs it until he talks to the Leafs first. JT took 2 mill less to play with Marner and come home. Got to think it's worth something to Marner as well.Zee said:
ZBBM
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So Aho says basically that he was manipulating the situation. Maybe, but if so he took a risk -- if his hope to stay in CAR really meant so much to him.
Anyway, I know it's fun to tweak Bergevin but I think he took a pretty good gamble. People say that at the sweet spot level he was offering The Hurricanes absolutely had to match. We don't know that. He tried to thread the needle and it didn't work.
Anyway, I know it's fun to tweak Bergevin but I think he took a pretty good gamble. People say that at the sweet spot level he was offering The Hurricanes absolutely had to match. We don't know that. He tried to thread the needle and it didn't work.
Kin
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I think Carolina's response is pretty solid proof positive that this was not a good attempt to "thread a needle" when within minutes of the offer sheet their social media guy has license to joke around saying they're matching.
Honestly, if the Canes didn't match whether because they couldn't afford the initial outlay for the signing bonus or because they were willing, either for the compensation or belief that Aho wasn't worth this deal, to lose their best player a year after they finally breathed a little bit of life into their fanbase then they may as well have announced they weren't matching just after they announced they were folding the team.
Honestly, if the Canes didn't match whether because they couldn't afford the initial outlay for the signing bonus or because they were willing, either for the compensation or belief that Aho wasn't worth this deal, to lose their best player a year after they finally breathed a little bit of life into their fanbase then they may as well have announced they weren't matching just after they announced they were folding the team.
Guilt Trip
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Have to agree fully with Nik on this one. Lame attempt.Nik the Trik said: