Morgan Rielly

[Kin]

I see these points, but then shouldn't age and pro status come into it. I get that the CHL wants a bunch of men playing against boys in their junior leagues, so those teams can have a competitive advantage, but we're talking about a man here, not a 15-18 year old. The NHL doesn't have the rights to any player under 18, so why does the junior leagues have certain limited rights to adult hockey players? Maybe pro status is the bigger issue.

But I think the thing you're missing is that the current relationship between the NHL and CHL is one that benefits both parties to an extent. It's actually to the NHL's advantage that they don't have the right to players before the age of 18. The further developed a player is, the better handle the scouts have on his pro potential and the draft will be more effective at distributing talent. So the CHL develops players until they're 18, which the NHL benefits tremendously from, then they let the NHL draft the players they have under contract without individual negotiations. That's a huge benefit to the NHL. The only real concession the CHL gets for that is that the NHL has agreed not to turn the AHL into the CHL's competitor by putting the best 18-19 year olds in the world there.

What you're doing is looking at a situation where one person takes 19 slices of pizza, leaves someone else with only one and then, when the person with 19 complains about wanting some of the last remaining slice, saying "They really should work out a compromise".

There is always lots of talk about "what's best for the player", but what's the use of saying that, if they're not going to do it.

But as Busta says, "what's best for the player" is a nebulous concept and always runs secondary to the interests of the two leagues. It would be "best" for the players if the CHL paid them. It would be "best" for the players if, in place of a draft, the players got to field offers from NHL teams as free agents. I don't think it needs to be said that "what is best for the player", in the NHL and CHL's minds, are really secondary to what's best for them.

I just think there should be some middle ground so that everybody wins here.

But, again, this is the middle ground. The CHL has to have some benefit from their relationship with the NHL. They're not a charity. They don't exist for the NHL's convenience. If the NHL wants a farm system the way Baseball has one where they get to choose where to send players at all times then they should do what baseball does and pay for an actual farm system. If they want players to arrive at 18 with the best possible coaching and development that can only exist in a professional setting they should do what soccer clubs do and pay for that development themselves.

But if the NHL wants a pro-style development like the CHL provides and they don't want to pay for it, the NHL can't throw a tantrum over the one concession the CHL gets out of the arrangement even if they think it would be better for the development of the players.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

How do you think MR is in this area?  Can you gauge this from his play on the ice? When you said he may be in over his head after 10 games was it perhaps his confidence of day-in and day-out in the NHL playing against the top forwards of some of the best teams, a bit much for him?

Obviously I don't know what is going to happen with him, but things could go the other way at any time. He doesn't look out of his element right now, other than some defensive lapses, but that is to be expected really. Any number of things could come up between now and the end of the season. It could be just the rigors of the league that get him.

Luke Schenn didn't really show decline until his second year, every player is different. I don't expect Rielly to have any problems, as Carlyle will most likely protect him, but you never know.

I think Rielly is just more talented than other players his age, so he can fit in easier, he certainly doesn't look out of place right now.

 

[freer]

How do you think MR is in this area?  Can you gauge this from his play on the ice? When you said he may be in over his head after 10 games was it perhaps his confidence of day-in and day-out in the NHL playing against the top forwards of some of the best teams, a bit much for him?

Obviously I don't know what is going to happen with him, but things could go the other way at any time. He doesn't look out of his element right now, other than some defensive lapses, but that is to be expected really. Any number of things could come up between now and the end of the season. It could be just the rigors of the league that get him.

Luke Schenn didn't really show decline until his second year, every player is different. I don't expect Rielly to have any problems, as Carlyle will most likely protect him, but you never know.

I think Rielly is just more talented than other players his age, so he can fit in easier, he certainly doesn't look out of place right now.

I am a little concerned that he is staying up with the big team. I have unfavourable memories of Schenn, never recovering in his second season.

 

[Andy007]

How do you think MR is in this area?  Can you gauge this from his play on the ice? When you said he may be in over his head after 10 games was it perhaps his confidence of day-in and day-out in the NHL playing against the top forwards of some of the best teams, a bit much for him?

Obviously I don't know what is going to happen with him, but things could go the other way at any time. He doesn't look out of his element right now, other than some defensive lapses, but that is to be expected really. Any number of things could come up between now and the end of the season. It could be just the rigors of the league that get him.

Luke Schenn didn't really show decline until his second year, every player is different. I don't expect Rielly to have any problems, as Carlyle will most likely protect him, but you never know.

I think Rielly is just more talented than other players his age, so he can fit in easier, he certainly doesn't look out of place right now.

I am a little concerned that he is staying up with the big team. I have unfavourable memories of Schenn, never recovering in his second season.

Well it's a good thing they are two totally different people with wildly differing skills and attributes.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

But, again, this is the middle ground. The CHL has to have some benefit from their relationship with the NHL. They're not a charity.

That is pretty much the extent of it right there.

But as Busta says, "what's best for the player" is a nebulous concept and always runs secondary to the interests of the two leagues. It would be "best" for the players if the CHL paid them. It would be "best" for the players if, in place of a draft, the players got to field offers from NHL teams as free agents. I don't think it needs to be said that "what is best for the player", in the NHL and CHL's minds, are really secondary to what's best for them.

Which is unfortunate!

 

[freer]

How do you think MR is in this area?  Can you gauge this from his play on the ice? When you said he may be in over his head after 10 games was it perhaps his confidence of day-in and day-out in the NHL playing against the top forwards of some of the best teams, a bit much for him?

Obviously I don't know what is going to happen with him, but things could go the other way at any time. He doesn't look out of his element right now, other than some defensive lapses, but that is to be expected really. Any number of things could come up between now and the end of the season. It could be just the rigors of the league that get him.

Luke Schenn didn't really show decline until his second year, every player is different. I don't expect Rielly to have any problems, as Carlyle will most likely protect him, but you never know.

I think Rielly is just more talented than other players his age, so he can fit in easier, he certainly doesn't look out of place right now.

I am a little concerned that he is staying up with the big team. I have unfavourable memories of Schenn, never recovering in his second season.

Well it's a good thing they are two totally different people with wildly differing skills and attributes.

Yeah true, Luke played actual played "Defence Defence" and did not attempt end to end rushes, leaving his defense partner alone

 

[Rebel_1812]

gardiner is plus 3 with 2 assists, Rielly has 4 assists and is minus 3.

 

[Jalili]

You're always assuming some risk when you keep a kid Rielly's age up in the NHL. He could get hurt physically or wear down mentally.

Schenn is the obvious example of how it can go wrong, even though he was billeted as the most NHL ready D-man of his class.

However, I don't see a comparison between the two. Schenn was built to succeed in the pre-cap era before the rule changes, whereas Rielly has the skillset of the "new age" type of defenseman that dominates the league.

In terms of skating, skill, conditioning, Rielly blows Schenn out of the water. Hopefully in IQ as well.

 

[Palmateer29]

You're always assuming some risk when you keep a kid Rielly's age up in the NHL. He could get hurt physically or wear down mentally.

Schenn is the obvious example of how it can go wrong, even though he was billeted as the most NHL ready D-man of his class.

However, I don't see a comparison between the two. Schenn was built to succeed in the pre-cap era before the rule changes, whereas Rielly has the skillset of the "new age" type of defenseman that dominates the league.

In terms of skating, skill, conditioning, Rielly blows Schenn out of the water. Hopefully in IQ as well.

Schenn and Rielly would make a nice pairing though....

 

[Highlander]

Snoopzilla hits the nail on the head?.Now we need to get rid of Phanuef and assign Rielly the Captancy.. Then we would have Captain Morgan as chief of the leafs. To bad there is no one named Bacardi on the squad.

 

[Scot4bz]

Snoopzilla hits the nail on the head….Now we need to get rid of Phanuef and assign Rielly the Captancy.. Then we would have Captain Morgan as chief of the leafs. To bad there is no one named Bacardi on the squad.

Will you settle for James Rye-mer? Perhaps Tyler Booze-ak?

 

[Bender]

Snoopzilla hits the nail on the head?.Now we need to get rid of Phanuef and assign Rielly the Captancy.. Then we would have Captain Morgan as chief of the leafs. To bad there is no one named Bacardi on the squad.

Yeah but if we get Gardiner and Finn on a D-pairing one day we could have "Adventure Time" Pairing with Finn and Jake!

 

[bustaheims]

Hope_Smoke: McKenzie "if Really isn't playing by the 19th Nonis will tell Randy that since he's not playing/developing him they'll send him to WJC"

 

[drummond]

Hope_Smoke: McKenzie "if Really isn't playing by the 19th Nonis will tell Randy that since he's not playing/developing him they'll send him to WJC"

I would like to see Rielly going to WJC, hopefully he dominates and brings that high spirit back to the Leafs dressing room.

 

[bustaheims]

Hope_Smoke: McKenzie "if Really isn't playing by the 19th Nonis will tell Randy that since he's not playing/developing him they'll send him to WJC"

I would like to see Rielly going to WJC, hopefully he dominates and brings that high spirit back to the Leafs dressing room.

I'd prefer to see him getting regular ice time with the Leafs, but, the WJHC would be my second choice, way ahead of him being a healthy scratch on a regular basis.

 

[moon111]

I know +/- isn't the end all of stats, but one when you compare Phaneuf's +/- to Rielly's... the kid obviously has much to learn.  It's really too bad he couldn't play with the Marlies this season.

 

[bustaheims]

I know +/- isn't the end all of stats, but one when you compare Phaneuf's +/- to Rielly's... the kid obviously has much to learn.  It's really too bad he couldn't play with the Marlies this season.

The fact that he's seen a lot of ice time with guys like Fraser, McLaren and Orr has a lot to do with that number.

 

[mr grieves]

I know +/- isn't the end all of stats, but one when you compare Phaneuf's +/- to Rielly's... the kid obviously has much to learn.  It's really too bad he couldn't play with the Marlies this season.

The fact that he's seen a lot of ice time with guys like Fraser, McLaren and Orr has a lot to do with that number.

Not as much as I thought. Rielly's surely wasted when played with McLaren and Orr, but he's not actually played with them that often, and his GA/20 isn't as terrible with them as I would've thought or as it is with others. The three worst GA/20 with Rielly are bolded, and, yeah, it seems Fraser's not a very good partner for him.

PLAYER --- TOI W/ --- GA/20
Rielly, M --- 331:48 -- 1.27
Franson --- 163:24 -- 1.47
Kadri, P --- 110:03 -- 1.82
Kessel, P -- 100:43 -- 1.19
Raymond -- 100:02 -- 1.60
Lupul, Jof --  96:42 -- 2.07
JayVeeArr -  89:55 --  .89
Clarkson  --  73:25 --  .82
Ranger, P -  63:37 -- 1.26
Bolland, D -  62:14 --  .96
McClement - 62:13 --  .32
Bozak, Ty -- 53:32 -- 1.12
Orr, Colt --- 46:44 -- 1.28
Fraser, M -- 42:50 -- 1.87

 

[Rebel_1812]

I know +/- isn't the end all of stats, but one when you compare Phaneuf's +/- to Rielly's... the kid obviously has much to learn.  It's really too bad he couldn't play with the Marlies this season.

That is why he should play the world juniors.  Just to give him a chance to play 20 mins a game.

 

[Leaf 50]

Maybe the chance to play against so-called mid-level teams over the next few weeks will be good for him to experience , but I'd really rather see him go to Sweden. That offers more opportunity for growth, IMHO.