Morgan Rielly

[Redleaf]

And now I'm leaning back toward sending him down.  Ugh ugh ugh.

And his next game might convince you that he needs to stay again. I've been back and forth on this myself a few times.

 

[Peter D.]

It's not whether Rielly can sustain an entire season, because I think he can. He'll have his lumps, but the talent is too good where he'd work through it. And it remains a question as to how much he'd benefit in the WHL as opposed to learning in the NHL.

However, the crowded blue line works against him. Fraser's injury just bought some time for him to play and be evaluated. I can't see the Leafs carrying 7 D and I don't know if there is a move to make room for him on the back end.

Would be disappointing to see him sent back, but it'll be surprising if that doesn't end being the case at this point.

 

[vm8444]

It's not whether Rielly can sustain an entire season, because I think he can. He'll have his lumps, but the talent is too good where he'd work through it. And it remains a question as to how much he'd benefit in the WHL as opposed to learning in the NHL.

However, the crowded blue line works against him. Fraser's injury just bought some time for him to play and be evaluated. I can't see the Leafs carrying 7 D and I don't know if there is a move to make room for him on the back end.

Would be disappointing to see him sent back, but it'll be surprising if that doesn't end being the case at this point.

Pete you said it
"As opposed to learning in the NHL"

This is why I wish we keep him.
This isn't a past dman that we rushed before they were ready.
This is high end skill (kaberle stepped in)
that I believe is ready who can help the team
Move forward in the playoffs to another level.

I'm not sure the WHL would benefit him beyond the status quo
Progression though world juniors can't hurt.

Love his wheels and his hands and vision should get better,
The game is moving forward
So I think young mobile fast talented dman is the wave of the future.

 

[lamajama]

I'd be hard pressed to name a player who was hurt by being sent back to Juniors.

The Leafs have done this time and again...repeating an awful
history of developing their own players.

Send him back.

 

[Leafaholic99]

If we send him back, once his junior team's season is done he can come back or join the Marlies for their playoff run. I'd be disappointed if he is sent back, but it won't hurt him. Many future stars spen their full time in jr, then a year or two in the AHL before making the NHL.

 

[Bender]

I'd be hard pressed to name a player who was hurt by being sent back to Juniors.

The Leafs have done this time and again...repeating an awful
history of developing their own players.

Send him back.

Rielly isn't Luke Schenn or Luke Richardson. I had this discussion with a friend yesterday and I really think Schenn was never really that good a player. I looked at his stats and saw him play in junior and he was basically just bigger and stronger than everyone else, that's it.

Shouldn't it be on a case by case basis as to whether it makes sense to keep a player or send him back? It sounds like we could collectively have a blindfold on and just yell "send him back" whenever a young player challenges for a roster spot. I don't think that approach makes a whole lot of sense.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

I'm mostly in the Pietrangelo curve camp.

 

[Tigger]

From what I've seen being with the Leafs isn't hurting him, if he keeps progressing and seems to be growing and having a good experience ( something that's difficult to know from the outside and after game 9 is still a risk ) I'd keep him. I don't think he has much to learn from junior anymore.

 

[Jalili]

Rielly isn't Luke Schenn or Luke Richardson. I had this discussion with a friend yesterday and I really think Schenn was never really that good a player. I looked at his stats and saw him play in junior and he was basically just bigger and stronger than everyone else, that's it.

Shouldn't it be on a case by case basis as to whether it makes sense to keep a player or send him back? It sounds like we could collectively have a blindfold on and just yell "send him back" whenever a young player challenges for a roster spot. I don't think that approach makes a whole lot of sense.

It's really tough to answer what went wrong with Schenn. When he first broke into the league he was a lot different than he is now, and it seems as if something went wrong after his rookie season... because in subsequent years he just looked a lot less sharp and athletic.

I'm not sure if it was the Leafs who mishandled him or if he just wasn't very good to begin with, but I agree with what you're saying about Rielly.

They shouldn't make their decision on Rielly based off of what happened to Schenn. They're two different players with very different acumens; and I'm just throwing this out there, but it seems like Rielly trains off the ice much harder than Schenn did.

There may be an element of risk in keeping Rielly up, but we shouldn't be worried about him going down the same path as Luke Schenn.

 

[Tigger]

Schenn was hurt after his first year, eye injury and tendinitis in his knee that stopped him from training much in the offseason. It's not the sole reason his progression slowed as he is what he is but it sure didn't help.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

From what I've seen being with the Leafs isn't hurting him, if he keeps progressing and seems to be growing and having a good experience ( something that's difficult to know from the outside and after game 9 is still a risk ) I'd keep him. I don't think he has much to learn from junior anymore.

This. I think the learning curve will stop if he goes back to junior. It won't hurt him, but the learning won't be there. He needs to be around players that are better than him I think.

 

[hockeyfan1]

According to Kypreos, Leafs to keep Reilly...

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/kypreos-rielly-expected-to-remain-with-leafs/

 

[Fanatic]

Can anyone explain what happens at the 9 game mark and then the 40 game mark? At 9 games you burn a year of "eligibility" - presumably this means towards free agency? But at the 40 game mark Kyper said something about it then counting as 1 pro year. And that was when I knew I was lost.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Can anyone explain what happens at the 9 game mark and then the 40 game mark? At 9 games you burn a year of "eligibility" - presumably this means towards free agency? But at the 40 game mark Kyper said something about it then counting as 1 pro year. And that was when I knew I was lost.

At the 10 game mark Rielly will burn off a year of his 3-year ELC contract. So if he plays 10 games this season he'll be a RFA on July 1st, 2016. If he's sent back to junior before the 10 game mark he'll be a RFA in 2017.

The 40 game mark is important for determining when Rielly will be an UFA. He'll be an unrestricted free agent either at the age of 27 or after 7 accrued seasons in the NHL. An accrued season is when a player spends 40 or more games on the NHL roster (games on the roster, not games played). So if he's still around after the 40 game mark he'll be an UFA after 6 more seasons. If he's sent back down after that he'll have an extra year.

Odds are of course if he plays 10 games he'll be on the roster for the rest of the season so that second mark doesn't really matter.

 

[Corn Flake]

According to Kypreos, Leafs to keep Reilly...

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/kypreos-rielly-expected-to-remain-with-leafs/

Not surprising at all. He's been very good, looks more than capable of handling 3rd pairing ice time and opponents and is getting a bit better every game.

 

[Fanatic]

Can anyone explain what happens at the 9 game mark and then the 40 game mark? At 9 games you burn a year of "eligibility" - presumably this means towards free agency? But at the 40 game mark Kyper said something about it then counting as 1 pro year. And that was when I knew I was lost.

At the 10 game mark Rielly will burn off a year of his 3-year ELC contract. So if he plays 10 games this season he'll be a RFA on July 1st, 2016. If he's sent back to junior before the 10 game mark he'll be a RFA in 2017.

The 40 game mark is important for determining when Rielly will be an UFA. He'll be an unrestricted free agent either at the age of 27 or after 7 accrued seasons in the NHL. An accrued season is when a player spends 40 or more games on the NHL roster (games on the roster, not games played). So if he's still around after the 40 game mark he'll be an UFA after 6 more seasons. If he's sent back down after that he'll have an extra year.

Odds are of course if he plays 10 games he'll be on the roster for the rest of the season so that second mark doesn't really matter.

Thanks. very helpful.

And just thinking out loud, could the Leafs also send him to the World Juniors prior to him playing 40 games?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Thanks. very helpful.

And just thinking out loud, could the Leafs also send him to the World Juniors prior to him playing 40 games?

Just again to clarify him playing 40 games doesn't have any effect on his future free agent status, as long as he's on the teams roster for 40 games it counts as an accrued season.

But to answer your question, yes, they can send him to the World Juniors. The Leafs wouldn't have even played 40 games by the time they need to make that decision, but yeah they could have loaned him to the team even if they had.

Two seasons ago Devante Smith-Pelly made the Ducks as a 19-year old and was a regular member of their line-up until December when they loaned him to the Canadian world junior team. He then returned to the Ducks afterward.

 

[Fanatic]

Thanks. very helpful.

And just thinking out loud, could the Leafs also send him to the World Juniors prior to him playing 40 games?

Just again to clarify him playing 40 games doesn't have any effect on his future free agent status, as long as he's on the teams roster for 40 games it counts as an accrued season.

But to answer your question, yes, they can send him to the World Juniors. The Leafs wouldn't have even played 40 games by the time they need to make that decision, but yeah they could have loaned him to the team even if they had.

Two seasons ago Devante Smith-Pelly made the Ducks as a 19-year old and was a regular member of their line-up until December when they loaned him to the Canadian world junior team. He then returned to the Ducks afterward.

Appreciate the info and insight.

 

[Zee]

Am I missing something? I've heard a few times now that the Leafs have "2 more games before 9 to decide on Morgan Rielly", but Rielly has only played 5 games not 7 like the rest of the team.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Am I missing something? I've heard a few times now that the Leafs have "2 more games before 9 to decide on Morgan Rielly", but Rielly has only played 5 games not 7 like the rest of the team.

Some of the media that cover the Leafs (if that's where you're reading it) aren't exactly known for their adherence to "facts" in their jobs.