Nonis using depth to go shopping....

[ZBBM]

Unfortunately it appears to me that Grabs is on his way out.  I could see Grabs + Gunnarsson + first + another pick for Nash.  Maybe Burke could do a little better.

Will any of this happen?  I'm predicting yes, but what do I know?

No offense, but I just don't understand how people view Grabs as "value" to a non-playoff team.

What happens on July 1st when Grabs bolts?  They basically gave Rick Nash, their star player, captain, fan favourite, City 'icon' away for.... nothing?

Sorry.  I don't see it.

Grabs is only valuable to a playoff team.  Unless of course he agrees to a contract extension mid season with a non-playoff team who he is not even currently a part of.  How often does that happen?

Point taken, although it still could happen.

 

[Tigger]

If the Leafs were in on a Nash or a Getzlaf or whatever I could see the notion being to utilize them on a different line than Kessel/Lupul.

To get a player like that I think I agree that Grabovski is not likely to be part of the deal, could be but the team would have to believe they could sign him ... more likely he'd be dealt in another deal to a contender-ish-y team to deal with cap dollars and recoup some of the cost of the other deal.

I don't think any of that is very likely.

 

[Erndog]

If the Leafs were in on a Nash or a Getzlaf or whatever I could see the notion being to utilize them on a different line than Kessel/Lupul.

To get a player like that I think I agree that Grabovski is not likely to be part of the deal, could be but the team would have to believe they could sign him ... more likely he'd be dealt in another deal to a contender-ish-y team to deal with cap dollars and recoup some of the cost of the other deal.

I don't think any of that is very likely.

Agreed.

If the Leafs do land a Getzlaf, or whoever, I doubt Grabs goes the other way.  He just doesnt have value to a non playoff team knowing full well he likely leaves in the summer.

Like you said though, he could very well be traded in ANOTHER deal to recoup some of the assets we lost in the first one.

Example:  (and I am just talking out of my @ss here).

To Tor:  Getzlaf
To Ana:  Kulemin, Schenn, 1st

To Chi:  Grabovski
To Tor:  1st


So the Leafs would, more or less, net even in terms of 1st round picks....  So although Grabs wasn't dealt DIRECTLY for Getzlaf, he more or less was traded indirectly because of him.

 

[Tigger]

Yeah, something along those lines works for me Ern.

 

[iwas11in67]

Something off the wall:

How about Grabs and Mac to Philly for B. Schenn.

Those 2 could really help the Philly playoff push.
This year, more than any other I think, the playoffs are up for grabs to at least 6-7 teams.

 

[The Red Polar Bear]

You know, despite all the good points you guys have made in favour of others, I still think that E. Staal would be the guy to target.

1) Size: 6'4" 205lbs (from wiki)
2) Availability: He's having a pretty bad year on a bad team, has a really expensive contract and has an heir apparent (Skinner) to take over the C in a few years. Obviously a player of his ability isn't "available", but its not beyond all reason that they could move him.
3) Needs: CAR has 3 UFA D-men, Spacek, Allen and Gleason. Currently, with Pitkanen out, Gleason and Allen are their top pairing (at least, according to the last GDT on "that other website"), so if they see both going to UFA (Gleason probably will, I don't know much about Allen), they could use some D.

I mean, other options are probably more likely, but I would be kicking the tires here.

 

[jonlleafs]

Something off the wall:

How about Grabs and Mac to Philly for B. Schenn.

Those 2 could really help the Philly playoff push.
This year, more than any other I think, the playoffs are up for grabs to at least 6-7 teams.

And how does that help our playoff push?

 

[iwas11in67]

Something off the wall:

How about Grabs and Mac to Philly for B. Schenn.

Those 2 could really help the Philly playoff push.
This year, more than any other I think, the playoffs are up for grabs to at least 6-7 teams.

And how does that help our playoff push?

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I would only do the trade if we started to sputter in the next month.

 

[jonlleafs]

Something off the wall:

How about Grabs and Mac to Philly for B. Schenn.

Those 2 could really help the Philly playoff push.
This year, more than any other I think, the playoffs are up for grabs to at least 6-7 teams.

And how does that help our playoff push?

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I would only do the trade if we started to sputter in the next month.

I would agree on that, however, I dunno if Philly would go for it.

 

[Kin]

I would agree on that, however, I dunno if Philly would go for it.

More to the point, Philly definitely doesn't have the cap space for it.

 

[iwas11in67]

I would agree on that, however, I dunno if Philly would go for it.

More to the point, Philly definitely doesn't have the cap space for it.

Ok so we would have to take some money back.

I was just opening up the thought of selling some experience to hard contenders.

 

[Kin]

Ok so we would have to take some money back.

The problem there is that Philly doesn't have a lot in the way of contracts that they'd throw in as junk. Almost everyone earning significant money on their roster is a valuable piece of their team.

 

[louisstamos]

Bobby Mac was just on TSN radio and said that a lot of teams having been asking about Brendan Morrow from Dallas...

does he tickle anyone's fancy?

 

[iwas11in67]

Ok so we would have to take some money back.

The problem there is that Philly doesn't have a lot in the way of contracts that they'd throw in as junk. Almost everyone earning significant money on their roster is a valuable piece of their team.

I was just spitballing.
I really hope it doesn't come down to us being sellers and we go on a nice run down the stretch.
This season is really open i feel.

 

[maplesyrup]

Bobby Mac was just on TSN radio and said that a lot of teams having been asking about Brendan Morrow from Dallas...

does he tickle anyone's fancy?

A number of issues;

1. He's banged up... I have no idea how bad his neck injury is... You?
2. He has a NTC... He'd have to wave it...
3. I've always liked him... a physical guy who like Ruutu, I think we need. However, I'm sure his best years are behind him. I think I'd rather Ruutu who is 5 years younger and hope he'd re-sign.   

 

[Tigger]

I would agree on that, however, I dunno if Philly would go for it.

More to the point, Philly definitely doesn't have the cap space for it.

Maybe I'm missing something but Schenn counts for over 3 and capgeek says they can take a max cap hit of over 5 right now, seems plausible at least in terms of cap space from that.

Edit to add: ok, I read the injury report and, wow, not sure what to make of it, they're hurt, not sure what the ir/cap consequences are...?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I think Morrow is exactly what this team needs. I'd be all for it. MacArthur and Aulie for Morrow?

 

[maplesyrup]

I think Morrow is exactly what this team needs. I'd be all for it. MacArthur and Aulie for Morrow?

Another thing I don't like about acquiring Morrow is - Will he be a core player 2 years or more (if he resigns after next year) His numbers suggest he's regressing and I'm not sure he's a fit. If we were closer to be a contender? Sure. I think he'd be a great pick-up for some one closer to competing for the cup.

 

[Zee]

Bobby Mac was just on TSN radio and said that a lot of teams having been asking about Brendan Morrow from Dallas...

does he tickle anyone's fancy?

A number of issues;

1. He's banged up... I have no idea how bad his neck injury is... You?
2. He has a NTC... He'd have to wave it...
3. I've always liked him... a physical guy who like Ruutu, I think we need. However, I'm sure his best years are behind him. I think I'd rather Ruutu who is 5 years younger and hope he'd re-sign. 

Yeah Morrow's age and health are of concern.  If he's healthy he's a good and brings experience.  It's a risk.  Also not exactly the "big name" forward that a lot of people were hoping for.  Perception will be that Leafs sat back if Burke gets someone like Morrow.

 

[Corn Flake]

Morrow absolutely the style of player we need up front. But he is too old.  A contender will pay handsomely to get him at the deadline. 

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