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[Zee]

CBJ made an offer no player in their sane mind would refuse, and no agent would say he should wait, plus the future looked pretty good there at that point.



Sure, then it's about the money.  Don't give me this romantic view that he dreams of being a Leaf then.  If that truly was his dream he would have done everything to sign here.  He was already a multi millionaire before that contract, it's not as if he needed the extra money.  He also would know that through his contract and endorsements in Toronto he'd be more than set for life.  I'm tired of hearing how many players "dream" about playing for the Leafs and then sign in a crappy hockey market like Columbus.

Well let's not get all emotional about it. Has money never changed your mind on a dream or at least postponed it?  Most of us are not the rare types who ignore money and security and risk it all to chase their dream.  Certainly not when we have agents telling us what to do.

I think pro sports is a little different than chasing your dream in real life.  Like I said, Nash was already a multi-millionaire and even if he suffered a career ending injury as you said, he'd still be able to pull in money from endorsements.  It's not the same thing.

I think the term "dream" is thrown around too easily.  Would Nash "like" to play for the Leafs -- sure I think he would.  Would he do everything in his power to make that happen, i.e. wait 1 year for his contract to expire and sign with the Leafs -- no.

 

[Tigger]

I don't know if it was his dream but dreams can change and 65 mil is a pretty good reason to me.

Playing for Toronto is still a possibility for him one day too so he can still dream about it while snoozing on a pile of dough.

 

[sucka]

CBJ made an offer no player in their sane mind would refuse, and no agent would say he should wait, plus the future looked pretty good there at that point.



Sure, then it's about the money.  Don't give me this romantic view that he dreams of being a Leaf then.  If that truly was his dream he would have done everything to sign here.  He was already a multi millionaire before that contract, it's not as if he needed the extra money.  He also would know that through his contract and endorsements in Toronto he'd be more than set for life.  I'm tired of hearing how many players "dream" about playing for the Leafs and then sign in a crappy hockey market like Columbus.

Well let's not get all emotional about it. Has money never changed your mind on a dream or at least postponed it?  Most of us are not the rare types who ignore money and security and risk it all to chase their dream.  Certainly not when we have agents telling us what to do.

I think pro sports is a little different than chasing your dream in real life.  Like I said, Nash was already a multi-millionaire and even if he suffered a career ending injury as you said, he'd still be able to pull in money from endorsements.  It's not the same thing.

I think the term "dream" is thrown around too easily.  Would Nash "like" to play for the Leafs -- sure I think he would.  Would he do everything in his power to make that happen, i.e. wait 1 year for his contract to expire and sign with the Leafs -- no.

Like someone said, apart from the rare individual, cash will always be king.  How many people would rather stay in a higher paying job rather than go to a Top-20 employer for less?  And who's to say 65M is alot? after all the tax man takes a big chunk.  You can't blame anyone coming out and expressing a desire to play in Toronto but sign elsewhere for the big contract.  A windfall of 50M for me and you is pretty much not going to make a lick of difference were it 60M or 40M.  But a 80K salary vs a 120K salary would probably dictate where we choose to work.  Our 80K vs 120K is Nash's 50M vs 60M. 

There's actually another thing in play here. If someone were to offer you a 50% chance at winning 100 or a guaranteed payout of $50 the expected return is $50 in both cases.  with small dollars involved it's difficult to say who would pick what, depending on one's aversion to risk.  But lets start upping the amounts in play to say 1000 or a 50/50 shot and 500 for on the spot handout.  You'd expect a shift due of some people who took the gamble in the prior example to chicken out and take the 500.  But even that might not be clear cut...you could argue that you can do alot more with 1000 than you can with 500 so what the hell, i'll risk it.  What happens when you get to 100M vs 50M, the expected return remains unchanged from the previous examples.  I bet no one would take the risk of getting $0 unless they already had a personal wealth of at least 1B or if this person was a degenerate gambler.

 

[Zee]

CBJ made an offer no player in their sane mind would refuse, and no agent would say he should wait, plus the future looked pretty good there at that point.



Sure, then it's about the money.  Don't give me this romantic view that he dreams of being a Leaf then.  If that truly was his dream he would have done everything to sign here.  He was already a multi millionaire before that contract, it's not as if he needed the extra money.  He also would know that through his contract and endorsements in Toronto he'd be more than set for life.  I'm tired of hearing how many players "dream" about playing for the Leafs and then sign in a crappy hockey market like Columbus.

Well let's not get all emotional about it. Has money never changed your mind on a dream or at least postponed it?  Most of us are not the rare types who ignore money and security and risk it all to chase their dream.  Certainly not when we have agents telling us what to do.

I think pro sports is a little different than chasing your dream in real life.  Like I said, Nash was already a multi-millionaire and even if he suffered a career ending injury as you said, he'd still be able to pull in money from endorsements.  It's not the same thing.

I think the term "dream" is thrown around too easily.  Would Nash "like" to play for the Leafs -- sure I think he would.  Would he do everything in his power to make that happen, i.e. wait 1 year for his contract to expire and sign with the Leafs -- no.

Like someone said, apart from the rare individual, cash will always be king.  How many people would rather stay in a higher paying job rather than go to a Top-20 employer for less?  And who's to say 65M is alot? after all the tax man takes a big chunk.  You can't blame anyone coming out and expressing a desire to play in Toronto but sign elsewhere for the big contract.  A windfall of 50M for me and you is pretty much not going to make a lick of difference were it 60M or 40M.  But a 80K salary vs a 120K salary would probably dictate where we choose to work.  Our 80K vs 120K is Nash's 50M vs 60M.

C'mon.  We're talking financial independence for the rest of your life at his old contract (before the $65M), you can't compare that to someone who has to work until 65 at $80K/year.  If it was my dream to start my own business, and I was already financially secure and knew that even if the dream failed, I would still be alright and not have to worry about my family's financial security, then I would persue that dream.  That's a better analogy.  He doesn't *need* the money.  Sure it's fantastic to have all that extra cash, but it's not essential.  There's a big difference.

 

[sucka]

CBJ made an offer no player in their sane mind would refuse, and no agent would say he should wait, plus the future looked pretty good there at that point.



Sure, then it's about the money.  Don't give me this romantic view that he dreams of being a Leaf then.  If that truly was his dream he would have done everything to sign here.  He was already a multi millionaire before that contract, it's not as if he needed the extra money.  He also would know that through his contract and endorsements in Toronto he'd be more than set for life.  I'm tired of hearing how many players "dream" about playing for the Leafs and then sign in a crappy hockey market like Columbus.

Well let's not get all emotional about it. Has money never changed your mind on a dream or at least postponed it?  Most of us are not the rare types who ignore money and security and risk it all to chase their dream.  Certainly not when we have agents telling us what to do.

I think pro sports is a little different than chasing your dream in real life.  Like I said, Nash was already a multi-millionaire and even if he suffered a career ending injury as you said, he'd still be able to pull in money from endorsements.  It's not the same thing.

I think the term "dream" is thrown around too easily.  Would Nash "like" to play for the Leafs -- sure I think he would.  Would he do everything in his power to make that happen, i.e. wait 1 year for his contract to expire and sign with the Leafs -- no.

Like someone said, apart from the rare individual, cash will always be king.  How many people would rather stay in a higher paying job rather than go to a Top-20 employer for less?  And who's to say 65M is alot? after all the tax man takes a big chunk.  You can't blame anyone coming out and expressing a desire to play in Toronto but sign elsewhere for the big contract.  A windfall of 50M for me and you is pretty much not going to make a lick of difference were it 60M or 40M.  But a 80K salary vs a 120K salary would probably dictate where we choose to work.  Our 80K vs 120K is Nash's 50M vs 60M.

C'mon.  We're talking financial independence for the rest of your life at his old contract (before the $65M), you can't compare that to someone who has to work until 65 at $80K/year.  If it was my dream to start my own business, and I was already financially secure and knew that even if the dream failed, I would still be alright and not have to worry about my family's financial security, then I would persue that dream.  That's a better analogy.  He doesn't *need* the money.  Sure it's fantastic to have all that extra cash, but it's not essential.  There's a big difference.

that's not true.  If you today are making 100K, what you would consider financial security is not the same amount as some one who makes considerably more, say a corporate lawyer that charges 800/hour.  how many wealthy folks with a cash account of 2M would consider themselves financially secure?  Most would admit they wouldn't be, although in your mind, you'd be living like a king were you to have that much. 

 

[Zee]

CBJ made an offer no player in their sane mind would refuse, and no agent would say he should wait, plus the future looked pretty good there at that point.



Sure, then it's about the money.  Don't give me this romantic view that he dreams of being a Leaf then.  If that truly was his dream he would have done everything to sign here.  He was already a multi millionaire before that contract, it's not as if he needed the extra money.  He also would know that through his contract and endorsements in Toronto he'd be more than set for life.  I'm tired of hearing how many players "dream" about playing for the Leafs and then sign in a crappy hockey market like Columbus.

Well let's not get all emotional about it. Has money never changed your mind on a dream or at least postponed it?  Most of us are not the rare types who ignore money and security and risk it all to chase their dream.  Certainly not when we have agents telling us what to do.

I think pro sports is a little different than chasing your dream in real life.  Like I said, Nash was already a multi-millionaire and even if he suffered a career ending injury as you said, he'd still be able to pull in money from endorsements.  It's not the same thing.

I think the term "dream" is thrown around too easily.  Would Nash "like" to play for the Leafs -- sure I think he would.  Would he do everything in his power to make that happen, i.e. wait 1 year for his contract to expire and sign with the Leafs -- no.

Like someone said, apart from the rare individual, cash will always be king.  How many people would rather stay in a higher paying job rather than go to a Top-20 employer for less?  And who's to say 65M is alot? after all the tax man takes a big chunk.  You can't blame anyone coming out and expressing a desire to play in Toronto but sign elsewhere for the big contract.  A windfall of 50M for me and you is pretty much not going to make a lick of difference were it 60M or 40M.  But a 80K salary vs a 120K salary would probably dictate where we choose to work.  Our 80K vs 120K is Nash's 50M vs 60M.

C'mon.  We're talking financial independence for the rest of your life at his old contract (before the $65M), you can't compare that to someone who has to work until 65 at $80K/year.  If it was my dream to start my own business, and I was already financially secure and knew that even if the dream failed, I would still be alright and not have to worry about my family's financial security, then I would persue that dream.  That's a better analogy.  He doesn't *need* the money.  Sure it's fantastic to have all that extra cash, but it's not essential.  There's a big difference.

that's not true.  If you today are making 100K, what you would consider financial security is not the same amount as some one who makes considerably more, say a corporate lawyer that charges 800/hour.  how many wealthy folks with a cash account of 2M would consider themselves financially secure?  Most would admit they wouldn't be, although in your mind, you'd be living like a king were you to have that much.

Unless Nash comes from a mega rich family, I'm pretty sure he's already surpassed the net earnings of his parents and how they grew up as kids.  For a guy in his situation, it's not about the money.  I'm not even talking about all NHL players in general, just the superstars who are commanding salaries in the multi-millions per season.  Guys like Stamkos, Nash, Crosby etc.  These guys are all financially set already and if it were their "dream" to play for a different team than they're already on, they should do whatever it takes to make that dream happen.  If you're a regular NHL'er, someone making under $1M/year, then yes you go for the best possible contract you can get because you know careers are short and you want to put away as much as you can regardless of which team it's from. 

This idea that some of these guys "dream" of playing for the Leafs rings hollow to me.  Like I said, if I were in their position, having already made what, $25-$30M for Nash (yes pre-tax, take half away it's still multi-millions), I'd do everything I could to get to the Leafs. 

 

[sucka]

CBJ made an offer no player in their sane mind would refuse, and no agent would say he should wait, plus the future looked pretty good there at that point.



Sure, then it's about the money.  Don't give me this romantic view that he dreams of being a Leaf then.  If that truly was his dream he would have done everything to sign here.  He was already a multi millionaire before that contract, it's not as if he needed the extra money.  He also would know that through his contract and endorsements in Toronto he'd be more than set for life.  I'm tired of hearing how many players "dream" about playing for the Leafs and then sign in a crappy hockey market like Columbus.

Well let's not get all emotional about it. Has money never changed your mind on a dream or at least postponed it?  Most of us are not the rare types who ignore money and security and risk it all to chase their dream.  Certainly not when we have agents telling us what to do.

I think pro sports is a little different than chasing your dream in real life.  Like I said, Nash was already a multi-millionaire and even if he suffered a career ending injury as you said, he'd still be able to pull in money from endorsements.  It's not the same thing.

I think the term "dream" is thrown around too easily.  Would Nash "like" to play for the Leafs -- sure I think he would.  Would he do everything in his power to make that happen, i.e. wait 1 year for his contract to expire and sign with the Leafs -- no.

Like someone said, apart from the rare individual, cash will always be king.  How many people would rather stay in a higher paying job rather than go to a Top-20 employer for less?  And who's to say 65M is alot? after all the tax man takes a big chunk.  You can't blame anyone coming out and expressing a desire to play in Toronto but sign elsewhere for the big contract.  A windfall of 50M for me and you is pretty much not going to make a lick of difference were it 60M or 40M.  But a 80K salary vs a 120K salary would probably dictate where we choose to work.  Our 80K vs 120K is Nash's 50M vs 60M.

C'mon.  We're talking financial independence for the rest of your life at his old contract (before the $65M), you can't compare that to someone who has to work until 65 at $80K/year.  If it was my dream to start my own business, and I was already financially secure and knew that even if the dream failed, I would still be alright and not have to worry about my family's financial security, then I would persue that dream.  That's a better analogy.  He doesn't *need* the money.  Sure it's fantastic to have all that extra cash, but it's not essential.  There's a big difference.

But like I said before, who's to say what a person's needs are?  Sure i bet as a 16 yr old, he was dreaming about getting his hands on his dad's Sunfire for the friday night and at that time, that was his 'need'.  Now as a multimillionaire athlete, his basic needs aren't a Sunfire and a roof over his head.  His downsizing if worse comes to worse would be trading in his Ferrarri for a more modest Bentley.  You can apply this to your own scenario...when you started working, you probably didn't tailor your finances to maintain or to own a 4000sq ft home, becuase it just wasn't in your financial sphere to do so.  It was a dream at most, but now that you make considerably more, so too do your basic needs move up too and you start planning for own such a home.  I mean, you give me 65M dollars and I can give you a detailed account of how I can probably spend it.

 

[sucka]

You are totally ignoring human nature here.  If i live in a 10,000 sq ft home with a fleet of 6 cars, I'm going to find a way to afford a 20,000 sq ft home and add to my fleet of cars. 
If what you're saying is true, people like Oprah, with all her charitable foundations, you'd think she wouldn't need to live in a friggin compound with 20 bathrooms and maybe move down to what you say is reasonable and help out her cause a little more?
I know what you're saying, but literally, it really is a 'dream' cuz the reality of it is, for pretty much 99.9% of the human population, more will always be better than less.

 

[Zee]

You are totally ignoring human nature here.  If i live in a 10,000 sq ft home with a fleet of 6 cars, I'm going to find a way to afford a 20,000 sq ft home and add to my fleet of cars. 
If what you're saying is true, people like Oprah, with all her charitable foundations, you'd think she wouldn't need to live in a friggin compound with 20 bathrooms and maybe move down to what you say is reasonable and help out her cause a little more?
I know what you're saying, but literally, it really is a 'dream' cuz the reality of it is, for pretty much 99.9% of the human population, more will always be better than less.

But I'm not, I'm just saying it's BS to say it's his "dream" to play for the Leafs.  At a certain point he'd want to seriously shoot for that dream, signing for 8 years in Columbus is counter intuitive to that.  It's not as if he would have been begging on the streets signing with the Leafs either.  Maybe he doesn't get the same salary, but he makes more money in larger endorsements so it's a wash.

 

[Tigger]

Well, it was Kovalchuks dream to get the hell out of dodge even with 100m on the table but I think some slack can be cut to say it's a dream to do x and money gets in the way, happens to a lot of people.

I still don't know that it was Nash' dream to play in TO either, that seems to be coming from everyone but him.

Also, he could have felt just a teensy obligation to the team that drafted him and made him rich to start with.

 

[sucka]

You are totally ignoring human nature here.  If i live in a 10,000 sq ft home with a fleet of 6 cars, I'm going to find a way to afford a 20,000 sq ft home and add to my fleet of cars. 
If what you're saying is true, people like Oprah, with all her charitable foundations, you'd think she wouldn't need to live in a friggin compound with 20 bathrooms and maybe move down to what you say is reasonable and help out her cause a little more?
I know what you're saying, but literally, it really is a 'dream' cuz the reality of it is, for pretty much 99.9% of the human population, more will always be better than less.

But I'm not, I'm just saying it's BS to say it's his "dream" to play for the Leafs.  At a certain point he'd want to seriously shoot for that dream, signing for 8 years in Columbus is counter intuitive to that.  It's not as if he would have been begging on the streets signing with the Leafs either.  Maybe he doesn't get the same salary, but he makes more money in larger endorsements so it's a wash.

He could make more, but like i had in my edited post way back, as the numbers go up, your natural aversion to risk will steer you to the guaranteed option even though you 'might' make more with the more risky choice.

 

[Zee]

You are totally ignoring human nature here.  If i live in a 10,000 sq ft home with a fleet of 6 cars, I'm going to find a way to afford a 20,000 sq ft home and add to my fleet of cars. 
If what you're saying is true, people like Oprah, with all her charitable foundations, you'd think she wouldn't need to live in a friggin compound with 20 bathrooms and maybe move down to what you say is reasonable and help out her cause a little more?
I know what you're saying, but literally, it really is a 'dream' cuz the reality of it is, for pretty much 99.9% of the human population, more will always be better than less.

But I'm not, I'm just saying it's BS to say it's his "dream" to play for the Leafs.  At a certain point he'd want to seriously shoot for that dream, signing for 8 years in Columbus is counter intuitive to that.  It's not as if he would have been begging on the streets signing with the Leafs either.  Maybe he doesn't get the same salary, but he makes more money in larger endorsements so it's a wash.

He could make more, but like i had in my edited post way back, as the numbers go up, your natural aversion to risk will steer you to the guaranteed option even though you 'might' make more with the more risky choice.

After every Columbus loss, I hope he goes to bed shaking his head thinking "why didn't I hold out for the Leafs?" 

 

[Mikhail Bloodnovsky]

You are totally ignoring human nature here.  If i live in a 10,000 sq ft home with a fleet of 6 cars, I'm going to find a way to afford a 20,000 sq ft home and add to my fleet of cars. 
If what you're saying is true, people like Oprah, with all her charitable foundations, you'd think she wouldn't need to live in a friggin compound with 20 bathrooms and maybe move down to what you say is reasonable and help out her cause a little more?
I know what you're saying, but literally, it really is a 'dream' cuz the reality of it is, for pretty much 99.9% of the human population, more will always be better than less.

But I'm not, I'm just saying it's BS to say it's his "dream" to play for the Leafs.  At a certain point he'd want to seriously shoot for that dream, signing for 8 years in Columbus is counter intuitive to that.  It's not as if he would have been begging on the streets signing with the Leafs either.  Maybe he doesn't get the same salary, but he makes more money in larger endorsements so it's a wash.

He could make more, but like i had in my edited post way back, as the numbers go up, your natural aversion to risk will steer you to the guaranteed option even though you 'might' make more with the more risky choice.

After every Columbus loss, I hope he goes to bed shaking his head thinking "why didn't I hold out for the Leafs?" 

Same Leafs that haven't made the plays off in 7 years?

 

[Tigger]

Same Leafs that haven't made the plays off in 7 years?

1 out of 8?...

 

[#1PilarFan]

He's probably shaking his head wondering why he didn't hold out for Boston.

 

[sucka]

I dunno, pretty much everything that athletes (and non-atheletes) say on camera, aren't they mostly BS anyway?

 

[Damian]

Pretty much

 

[lamajama]

I've read the last few pages with interest and will chime in with this comment regarding the big contract...Burke would never have given
Nash the same term I believe so IMO Nash looked at that and then took
the guaranteed dough.

If he had truly wanted to come to TO he would have. He certainly could have gone back to CBJ after July 1 - and if it was a "sign or else" offer I don't think anyone would believe Nash could not have got an offer that would have met or surpassed the CBJ one.

 

[bustaheims]

Because the possibility of moving Schenn for an impending UFA has been brought up by some, I thought I'd highlight some of the more prominent UFAs that have been moved at or near the deadline over the last few seasons to we can get a better idea as to the value they really hold.

Ilya Kovalchuk: Traded from Atlanta Thrashers with Anssi Salmela and 2nd round pick in the 2010 draft to New Jersey Devils for Johnny Oduya, Nicklas Bergfors, Patrice Cormier, a 1st round pick and a 2nd round pick in the 2010 draft.

Marian Hossa: Traded from Atlanta Thrashers with Pascal Dupuis to Pittsburgh Penguins for Colby Armstrong, Erik Christensen, Angelo Esposito and a 1st round pick in the 2008 draft.

Keith Tkachuk: Traded from St. Louis Blues to Atlanta Thrashers for Glen Metropolit, a 1st round and a 3rd round pick in the 2007 draft and a 2nd round pick in the 2008 draft.

Brian Campbell: Traded from Buffalo Sabres with a 7th round pick in the 2008 draft to San Jose Sharks for Steve Bernier and a 1st round pick in the 2008 draft.

Ryan Smyth: Traded from Edmonton Oilers to New York Islanders for Robert Nilsson, Ryan O'Marra and a 1st round pick in the 2007 draft.

If guys like Parise or Suter are to be moved at the deadline, these deals are the templates the teams are likely to follow, and, as far as I'm concerned, there isn't a single prospect or young player moved in any of these deals of the same calibre/value as Schenn.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

If guys like Parise or Suter are to be moved at the deadline, these deals are the templates the teams are likely to follow, and, as far as I'm concerned, there isn't a single prospect or young player moved in any of these deals of the same calibre/value as Schenn.

And unless I'm mistaken, isn't Kovalchuk the only one of that bunch to re-sign with the club that traded for him?