Nylander returning to Toronto

[GhostofPotvin29]

I hadn't seen enough of Nylander at the WJC to see for myself, but I'd read mention from a few sources some concern that Nylander tends to put himself in vulnerable positions on the ice. 

I've seen that too and I'm curious as to what that actually means.

 

[louisstamos]

I hadn't seen enough of Nylander at the WJC to see for myself, but I'd read mention from a few sources some concern that Nylander tends to put himself in vulnerable positions on the ice. 

I've seen that too and I'm curious as to what that actually means.

If he were North American, they'd say "he goes to the dirty areas..."

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Dubas just flat out said that Nylander will not be playing in the NHL this season.

 

[Highlander]

Nylander is the type of kid that wants the spotlight in a very big way. He is a perfect fit for Toronto. I really can't see the kid being ruined if he happened to play with the big club right away.
For those of you whom can remember Lanny McDonalds first season, the guy fell down at least once on every shift, sometimes twice or three times. I wondered if the guy could skate, perhaps rookie nerves but sometimes you have to let the really talented play at the top level until they find their games.

 

[bustaheims]

Dubas just flat out said that Nylander will not be playing in the NHL this season.

Weird that he didn't allow himself any wiggle room, but, it shows how strongly the current management group believes in taking the appropriate amount of time to develop players. I still wouldn't be surprised to see him up for a game or two, but that definitely appears to the extent of what he might get this season.

 

[Highlander]

Probably best as Dubois is much smarter than me.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

If he were North American, they'd say "he goes to the dirty areas..."

Or if he wasn't like that they'd say he's a perimeter player and afraid of contact.

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

I hadn't seen enough of Nylander at the WJC to see for myself, but I'd read mention from a few sources some concern that Nylander tends to put himself in vulnerable positions on the ice. 

I've seen that too and I'm curious as to what that actually means.

Yeah, I don't know, maybe passing through high traffic areas and not being aware of the moving parts immediately surrounding him or looking the other way...?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Dubas with a pretty good interview on TSN 1050 just now. I'll post a link when one becomes available. Compared Nylander's situation to Connor Brown and said that even if either player has a big week or month they won't be getting called up. Pretty much putting long-term development over short-term gains. Great to hear.

Also talked a bit about how Nylander holds onto the puck quite a bit and that comes with a lot of physical abuse. Said he needs to continue to learn how to maintain possession of the puck when bigger players physically try to take it off of him.

Lastly said that the organization is open to him playing either centre or wing, it hasn't been decided yet.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Dubas with a pretty good interview on TSN 1050 just now. I'll post a link when one becomes available. Compared Nylander's situation to Connor Brown and said that even if either player has a big week or month they won't be getting called up. Pretty much putting long-term development over short-term gains. Great to hear.

Also talked a bit about how Nylander holds onto the puck quite a bit and that comes with a lot of physical abuse. Said he needs to continue to learn how to maintain possession of the puck when bigger players physically try to take it off of him.

Lastly said that the organization is open to him playing either centre or wing, it hasn't been decided yet.

I'm pretty sure he was a Red Wings fan all his life so he should know first hand about letting prospects develop in the AHL.

 

[Kessel Run]

How does the contract situation work? His entry level slides? Does he get paid?

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

How does the contract situation work? His entry level slides?

I believe if he plays 10 games for Leafs he'll burn a year of ELC.  Would need to play 40 games for Leafs to accrue a season towards UFA.

Does he get paid?

No, slave labour.  Sent to gulag if doesn't pan out.

 

[herman]

I'm really liking this Kool-Aid Dubas is stirring up.
Patient development plans for the players in the system?
Opportunistic cost-saving tactics in player movement?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Does he get paid?

No, slave labour.  Sent to gulag if doesn't pan out. Yeah, he's still paid based on the terms of his ELC even if it slides. He'll receive his AHL/two-way pay.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Does he get paid?

No, slave labour.  Sent to gulag if doesn't pan out. Yeah, he's still paid based on the terms of his ELC even if it slides. He'll receive his AHL/two-way pay.

Well if you want to get technical, yeah.

 

[bustaheims]

Does he get paid?

No, slave labour.  Sent to gulag if doesn't pan out. Yeah, he's still paid based on the terms of his ELC even if it slides. He'll receive his AHL/two-way pay.

#BuzzKillingtonTheBear

 

[Coco-puffs]

Modo only has 18 games left on their season, and obviously playoffs won't be happening for them. The Marlies have 38 games left, and are just 2 points out of a playoff spot. They could desperately use a guy like Nylander too as their centre depth has been awful all season long, especially with Smith/McKegg/Carrick being used on the Leafs. They've had to rely on an ECHL player to fill their 2C spot for most of the season.

They also have Swedes like Loov and Granberg (Nylander and Loov were teammates on Modo last season) so they could help ease the transition for Nylander, although it's not like he's unfamiliar with North America growing up here.

I wish they would just let him play the final 18 games and then bring him over. It's impossible to understand or comprehend any decisions the Leafs have made over the past decade.

Unfortunately, the IIHF has a rule in place that these types of transactions have to occur before January 16th, so the Leafs had to act now.  Nylander wouldn't be available to the Marlies/Leafs even after the season ended for MODO according to IIHF rules.  The only other scenario where Nylander plays more than 18 more games this season is if he somehow made the Sweden World Hockey Championship team, which might be a long shot.  I think this will be the best thing for his development- get him more used to North American sized ice (after WJHC) and more physical hockey.  Hopefully the Marlies make the playoffs as well, as that will be big for both Nylander's and Brown's development.

 

[Kin]

I confess, I don't see a potential downside here. He's proven over 20 games that he can light up the SEL so why wouldn't you want him in North America ASAP so he can adapt to the country/style of play/future teammates?

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Modo only has 18 games left on their season, and obviously playoffs won't be happening for them. The Marlies have 38 games left, and are just 2 points out of a playoff spot. They could desperately use a guy like Nylander too as their centre depth has been awful all season long, especially with Smith/McKegg/Carrick being used on the Leafs. They've had to rely on an ECHL player to fill their 2C spot for most of the season.

They also have Swedes like Loov and Granberg (Nylander and Loov were teammates on Modo last season) so they could help ease the transition for Nylander, although it's not like he's unfamiliar with North America growing up here.

I wish they would just let him play the final 18 games and then bring him over. It's impossible to understand or comprehend any decisions the Leafs have made over the past decade.

Unfortunately, the IIHF has a rule in place that these types of transactions have to occur before January 16th, so the Leafs had to act now.  Nylander wouldn't be available to the Marlies/Leafs even after the season ended for MODO according to IIHF rules.

Don't believe it has anything to do with IIHF rules, but maybe it does and the contract was designed to reflect that:

@DarrenDreger 

Toronto included a recall provision in Nylander's contract which had to be triggered by Jan 16th.

 

[Coco-puffs]

Modo only has 18 games left on their season, and obviously playoffs won't be happening for them. The Marlies have 38 games left, and are just 2 points out of a playoff spot. They could desperately use a guy like Nylander too as their centre depth has been awful all season long, especially with Smith/McKegg/Carrick being used on the Leafs. They've had to rely on an ECHL player to fill their 2C spot for most of the season.

They also have Swedes like Loov and Granberg (Nylander and Loov were teammates on Modo last season) so they could help ease the transition for Nylander, although it's not like he's unfamiliar with North America growing up here.

I wish they would just let him play the final 18 games and then bring him over. It's impossible to understand or comprehend any decisions the Leafs have made over the past decade.

Unfortunately, the IIHF has a rule in place that these types of transactions have to occur before January 16th, so the Leafs had to act now.  Nylander wouldn't be available to the Marlies/Leafs even after the season ended for MODO according to IIHF rules.

Don't believe it has anything to do with IIHF rules, but maybe it does and the contract was designed to reflect that:

@DarrenDreger 

Toronto included a recall provision in Nylander's contract which had to be triggered by Jan 16th.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/nylander-wont-be-with-maple-leafs-this-season/ 

The first thing Dubas mentions in this interview is that the IIHF has this rule.  The Leafs ensured they COULD ask for him back by this deadline in their agreement.  (ie, Modo could have said we'll only take Nylander if you give him up for the whole year even with the IIHF rule allowing the transfer up until Jan 16th)