Nylander signs 6-year contract

[Strangelove]

So I haven't been following this religiously. Do we think that Nylander's ask came down or Dubas' offer went up? Because this seems like the sort of deal that should have been available 6 months ago.

I think that may be the wrong way to look at things. I think it's pretty clear now that both sides were using the deadline as a way to get the best deal possible. If Dubas had offered this in July, that might have just been the starting point for what Nylander was negotiating against and vice-versa.

Probably. I get that the theory is that you want to avoid anchoring the negotiations at your max offer too early, since the other side will expect movement to get a deal done.

That said, experienced negotiators typically have a pretty good idea of what the number will look like after all the back and forth. I have a hard time understanding why they couldn't get to $6.9 million as of October 1 if that number was acceptable as of December 1. I suspect the answer has something to do with the initial offers being so extreme that negotiations were totally stalled. I wonder if Dubas' inexperience had something to do with it.

 

[Highlander]

So I haven't been following this religiously. Do we think that Nylander's ask came down or Dubas' offer went up? Because this seems like the sort of deal that should have been available 6 months ago.

I think that may be the wrong way to look at things. I think it's pretty clear now that both sides were using the deadline as a way to get the best deal possible. If Dubas had offered this in July, that might have just been the starting point for what Nylander was negotiating against and vice-versa.

Probably. I get that the theory is that you want to avoid anchoring the negotiations at your max offer too early, since the other side will expect movement to get a deal done.

That said, experienced negotiators typically have a pretty good idea of what the number will look like after all the back and forth. I have a hard time understanding why they couldn't get to $6.9 million as of October 1 if that number was acceptable as of December 1. I suspect the answer has something to do with the initial offers being so extreme that negotiations were totally stalled. I wonder if Dubas' inexperience had something to do with it.

Dubas is a Jedi Master, never doubt this Luke. 8)

 

[sickbeast]

What is the cap hit, per year?  This deal is extremely confusing.  Did we gain any ongoing cap relief due to the fact that he sat out this long?

I will also say that I am quite pleased with the deal overall.  I still think they should trade him immediately though.  I could be wrong.  I've been wrong before (I didn't think he would sign).

 

[Highlander]

What is the cap hit, per year?  This deal is extremely confusing.  Did we gain any ongoing cap relief due to the fact that he sat out this long?

I will also say that I am quite pleased with the deal overall.  I still think they should trade him immediately though.  I could be wrong.  I've been wrong before (I didn't think he would sign).

Trade the next Swede that may eclipse all of Sundin's records..take some Gaviscon for that Sickbeast stomach. Tell em Willie Boy is Here.

 

[Highlander]

Oh and forgot this, once you see what Marner will get (even with the home discount), this deal will look like a steal.  Matthews will be in for 12-13 for sure.

 

[mr grieves]

Without knowing what the offers were, and when they were made, it is impossible to tell.  If the rumors are right (and I have no idea whether they are) then if Dubas had signed him in in July, he would have paid 8-8.5/year so by waiting, he saved 1-1.5.

We can't know the offers, but that might be for the best, because it leaves us with the numbers that are most relevant to assessing what the "savings" are. It is not, I submit, the distance between the player's original ask and what he signs for, but the distance between the number he signs for and the number that averages the cap hits of similar players, signing under similar conditions, and adjusts them for cap inflation.

 

[mr grieves]

Oh and forgot this, once you see what Marner will get (even with the home discount), this deal will look like a steal.  Matthews will be in for 12-13 for sure.

Put the cap at $84m next year.
Marleau's 6.25 = 7.4%
Willy N's 6.69 =    8%
Tavares's 11m = 13.1%
Marner's 9.5m* = 11.3%
Auston's 12.5m = 14.9%

That's almost 55% of the cap tied up in 5 forwards, one of whom isn't really a good top 6 option anymore...

 

[CarltonTheBear]

https://twitter.com/CapFriendly/status/1069025763989614592

The contract not going into effect until tomorrow also explains why no roster moves were made today. Expect a paper transaction sending either Lindholm or Oz to the Marlies and someone (my guess Gauthier or Holl) going on waivers.

 

[Zee]

So Dubas said the turning point was Nylander phoning him directly with 30 minutes to go. Nylander's dad must have gone to the can

 

[herman]

The contract not going into effect until tomorrow also explains why no roster moves were made today. Expect a paper transaction sending either Lindholm or Oz to the Marlies and someone (my guess Gauthier or Holl) going on waivers.

I was wondering about this

 

[Guilt Trip]

The contract not going into effect until tomorrow also explains why no roster moves were made today. Expect a paper transaction sending either Lindholm or Oz to the Marlies and someone (my guess Gauthier or Holl) going on waivers.

I was wondering about this

They don't have to make a roster move until he's ready to go on the roster. He still needs to get here and go through his physical. I suspect the Leafs will make a move pretty quick tho.

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/tsnbobmckenzie/status/1069003510044213249

Snizzbone strikes

 

[Bullfrog]

https://twitter.com/CapFriendly/status/1069025763989614592

The contract not going into effect until tomorrow also explains why no roster moves were made today. Expect a paper transaction sending either Lindholm or Oz to the Marlies and someone (my guess Gauthier or Holl) going on waivers.

I'm curious why the signing bonus in the first year isn't included as part of the salary. If it was, then the cap hit in subsequent years would be even lower.

 

[Deebo]

https://twitter.com/CapFriendly/status/1069025763989614592

The contract not going into effect until tomorrow also explains why no roster moves were made today. Expect a paper transaction sending either Lindholm or Oz to the Marlies and someone (my guess Gauthier or Holl) going on waivers.

I'm curious why the signing bonus in the first year isn't included as part of the salary. If it was, then the cap hit in subsequent years would be even lower.

Then Nylander would take less home, because the amount added to the salary from the bonus would be pro rated rather than being paid in full. The cap hit only goes down if he is receiveing less money.

The yearly cap hit is still equal to the total amount being paid divided by the years being played.

 

[cabber24]

Now let?s see Pastrnak stats! I feel sorry for opposing goalies. This should be one hell of season. Unreal top 9, with the ?arrivals? of Kappy and Johnsson in addition to Marner, Matthews, Nylander, Tavares, and Kadri... come on now! Anderson and Riley playing lights out too! Let?s calm down on pending contracts for a bit and enjoy this season.

 

[Zee]

Now let?s see Pastrnak stats! I feel sorry for opposing goalies. This should be one hell of season. Unreal top 9, with the ?arrivals? of Kappy and Johnsson in addition to Marner, Matthews, Nylander, Tavares, and Kadri... come on now! Anderson and Riley playing lights out too! Let?s calm down on pending contracts for a bit and enjoy this season.

But Brian Burke said it's a bad deal paying Nylander this much *scratching head*

 

[Fanatic]

But Brian Burke said it's a bad deal paying Nylander this much *scratching head*

Remind me again which team he works for? I mean, surely someone who is so right must be in high demand to manage a team, right?

Talent > truculence

 

[Zee]

But Brian Burke said it's a bad deal paying Nylander this much *scratching head*

Remind me again which team he works for? I mean, surely someone who is so right must be in high demand to manage a team, right?

Talent > truculence

I can't believe how excited I was in 2008 when they hired him cause he had just won a Cup with Anaheim. Man was that enthusiasm killed quickly after I saw the team he put together.

Only credit to Burke is for drafting Kadri, Rielly and trading for Gardiner.  Although the drafting is more than likely the scouts getting credit.

 

[Andy007]

But Brian Burke said it's a bad deal paying Nylander this much *scratching head*

Remind me again which team he works for? I mean, surely someone who is so right must be in high demand to manage a team, right?

Talent > truculence

I can't believe how excited I was in 2008 when they hired him cause he had just won a Cup with Anaheim. Man was that enthusiasm killed quickly after I saw the team he put together.

Only credit to Burke is for drafting Kadri, Rielly and trading for Gardiner.  Although the drafting is more than likely the scouts getting credit.

I had the same reactions myself. Initial euphoria quickly subsiding into dread, confusion and annoyance. His self-imposed rules and guidelines combined with his endless talk become so maddening at the end.

Kadri and Rielly sure look good but my god, Bradley Ross? Stuart Percy? Tyler Biggs? The latter might be one of the worst 1st round picks in recent history...

 

[Zee]

But Brian Burke said it's a bad deal paying Nylander this much *scratching head*

Remind me again which team he works for? I mean, surely someone who is so right must be in high demand to manage a team, right?

Talent > truculence

I can't believe how excited I was in 2008 when they hired him cause he had just won a Cup with Anaheim. Man was that enthusiasm killed quickly after I saw the team he put together.

Only credit to Burke is for drafting Kadri, Rielly and trading for Gardiner.  Although the drafting is more than likely the scouts getting credit.

I had the same reactions myself. Initial euphoria quickly subsiding into dread, confusion and annoyance. His self-imposed rules and guidelines combined with his endless talk become so maddening at the end.

Kadri and Rielly sure look good but my god, Bradley Ross? Stuart Percy? Tyler Biggs? The latter might be one of the worst 1st round picks in recent history...

I mean even the worst GMs can have a track record of good draft picks if your scouting is decent. Look at JFJ's tenure and you'll see a bunch of good picks (that were either traded or squandered away). The real test of a GM is how he handles the trades and contract negotiations that matter. Handing out huge contracts with NMCs like Burke and Nonis did was stupid. Took a miracle to get out of the Phaneuf and Clarkson deals. I'm so glad we have great management finally