Of Nonis, Babcock & who the heck is going to be running this asylum on draft day

[moon111]

For most part, I don't have a problem with what the Leafs have done with the picks they did have.

But until you have scored a #1 superstar, you don't 'fix' the team, you let it flounder.  Get the Yzerman,
then the rest.  Leafs have a hole, fill it and never hit rock bottom.

 

[Chev-boyar-sky]

For most part, I don't have a problem with what the Leafs have done with the picks they did have.

But until you have scored a #1 superstar, you don't 'fix' the team, you let it flounder.  Get the Yzerman,
then the rest.  Leafs have a hole, fill it and never hit rock bottom.

Yzerman and Shanahan would be pretty cool  8) (he'll never leave that sweet team he's built though).

 

[rdowdall]

I did - they retained half of his salary essentially buying that 2nd rounder. And made a lot of new friends by driving up the market price on 3rd line rentals apparently at the same time.

They bought a 4th rounder, not a 2nd. If you want to cover yourself at least claim that they could only get a 2016 2nd.

I'll admit they got more meaningless draft picks for Winnik than I thought they would - you got me.

See, here is my problem with people like you.  Your irrational hatred of the Leafs leaves you with a complete lack of objectivity.  You can't call a spade a spade.  When the Senators do something it's great, when the Leafs do something it's bad.  Take for example when the Sens were trading off the likes of Mike Fisher and stock piling picks so that they had 6 in the top 60, you were probably like "Yeah look at all the picks the Sens got, this is good thing", however when the Leafs do it those picks are useless. 

What you may not grasp is that nothing lasts forever, and every team has streaks of ineptitude and brilliance.  The Sens will have periods throughout history where they will win cups, they will have periods where they will be a bottom feeder and periods when they are in the middle.  There is a randomness to the time that those periods last, and when they occur, and due to the finite value of our lifespans, we only get to glimpse a fragment of those periods. 

At this point all I can hope for is that whatever god, cosmic intervention, or karmic influence that caused the big bang to happen, thus resulting in life as we know it, will allow for me to see the team that I happen to follow to be successful at some point. 

Also that the same god, cosmic intervention, or karmic influence will take stock of your petty soul and exact some measure of punishment upon you for knowingly logging on to a site of a team that you irrationally hate and wasting the time of those on that site with your less than objective points of view.

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

Narcissists, psychopaths and sadists

 

[Al14]

Narcissists, psychopaths and sadists

You forgot the Schizophrenics!  LOL

 

[hockeyfan1]

Sean Burke? 

Can expect the Maple Leafs to ask the Coyotes for permission to speak to Sean Burke after the season.

Nick Cotsonika  @cotsonika
LRT: Brendan Shanahan and Sean Burke are tight.


Source:  mynhltraderumours

 

[herman]

Sean Burke? 

Can expect the Maple Leafs to ask the Coyotes for permission to speak to Sean Burke after the season.

Nick Cotsonika  @cotsonika
LRT: Brendan Shanahan and Sean Burke are tight.


Source:  mynhltraderumours

If that's the case, perhaps we'll see some Head Trajectory in our goaltending corps as Burke got a firsthand look at how it helped Dubnyk.

 

[Frank E]

So, speaking of the draft...it's obviously a long shot, but what if the Leafs get McDavid?

How does that affect the rebuild?  He's likely to start with the team, and therefore beginning his ELC immediately.  I would think that this fast forwards the rebuild somewhat over, say, drafting Strome.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

So, speaking of the draft...it's obviously a long shot, but what if the Leafs get McDavid?

How does that affect the rebuild?  He's likely to start with the team, and therefore beginning his ELC immediately.  I would think that this fast forwards the rebuild somewhat over, say, drafting Strome.

To me the biggest thing that changes is Kessel. If we get McDavid then Phil isn't going anywhere. I'd still be looking at stripping away parts like Bozak and, well, Bozak, and the idea behind being patient with our non-McDavid prospects would still be the same. But it definitely fast-forwards our rebuild quite a bit, enough so that Phil would still be a very valuable contributor to the team when we're ready to compete. 

 

[Frank E]

So, speaking of the draft...it's obviously a long shot, but what if the Leafs get McDavid?

How does that affect the rebuild?  He's likely to start with the team, and therefore beginning his ELC immediately.  I would think that this fast forwards the rebuild somewhat over, say, drafting Strome.

To me the biggest thing that changes is Kessel. If we get McDavid then Phil isn't going anywhere. I'd still be looking at stripping away parts like Bozak and, well, Bozak, and the idea behind being patient with our non-McDavid prospects would still be the same. But it definitely fast-forwards our rebuild quite a bit, enough so that Phil would still be a very valuable contributor to the team when we're ready to compete.

In my mind, I don't play Phil with McDavid (and I know you didn't say that he should).

When Phil is on his game, he's an elite playmaker that needs a better centre, but I'd rather spread out the offense of McDavid and Kessel over the 2 lines. 

 

[LuncheonMeat]

So, speaking of the draft...it's obviously a long shot, but what if the Leafs get McDavid?

How does that affect the rebuild?  He's likely to start with the team, and therefore beginning his ELC immediately.  I would think that this fast forwards the rebuild somewhat over, say, drafting Strome.

To me the biggest thing that changes is Kessel. If we get McDavid then Phil isn't going anywhere. I'd still be looking at stripping away parts like Bozak and, well, Bozak, and the idea behind being patient with our non-McDavid prospects would still be the same. But it definitely fast-forwards our rebuild quite a bit, enough so that Phil would still be a very valuable contributor to the team when we're ready to compete.

I think it would be fairly easy to move Bozak at the draft.  Even with how terrible this team has been in 2015, he's still put up good numbers.  I also think McDavid and Kadri would be a great 1/2, and that 3/4 can be adequately filled by guys already in the system.  That would allow the Leafs to keep Nylander on the wing and not force him into a center ice position.  From there I would keep one of JVR or Kessel, and trade whichever one brings you a better return, likely JVR due to his contract.

With a couple more draft picks added prior to the draft, and Nashville's first, the Leafs would (hopefully) be well on their way.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

When Phil is on his game, he's an elite playmaker that needs a better centre, but I'd rather spread out the offense of McDavid and Kessel over the 2 lines. 

Well I mean it all depends on how they would click in training camp and whatnot, but keeping them apart could have it's benefits. For starters we don't know how Leafs fans would react seeing a legit 1st line winger playing with a legit 1st line centre. All of our minds could explode.

 

[Frank E]

When Phil is on his game, he's an elite playmaker that needs a better centre, but I'd rather spread out the offense of McDavid and Kessel over the 2 lines. 

Well I mean it all depends on how they would click in training camp and whatnot, but keeping them apart could have it's benefits. For starters we don't know how Leafs fans would react seeing a legit 1st line winger playing with a legit 1st line centre. All of our minds could explode.

I remember when Sundin and Mogilny didn't play together, and people used to go bananas over that.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

So, speaking of the draft...it's obviously a long shot, but what if the Leafs get McDavid?

How does that affect the rebuild?  He's likely to start with the team, and therefore beginning his ELC immediately.  I would think that this fast forwards the rebuild somewhat over, say, drafting Strome.

To me the biggest thing that changes is Kessel. If we get McDavid then Phil isn't going anywhere. I'd still be looking at stripping away parts like Bozak and, well, Bozak, and the idea behind being patient with our non-McDavid prospects would still be the same. But it definitely fast-forwards our rebuild quite a bit, enough so that Phil would still be a very valuable contributor to the team when we're ready to compete.

I think it would be fairly easy to move Bozak at the draft.  Even with how terrible this team has been in 2015, he's still put up good numbers. 

Not really.  Do you mean in 2015 he's still put up good numbers when the team's been terrible?  Kessel's been really bad and he has 16 points in 38 games; Bozak has 15 in 38.  For the season he's at .59 PPG which is just slightly under his career average of 0.61 PPG.  His last 4 seasons he's about 0.67 PPG - which isn't bad in and of itself for a 1st line C provided that the 1st line C is very good to elite defensively as well.  But if you're playing with a player scoring like Kessel has over that span, you'd hope as the C those numbers would be higher (or be off-set by D play at least).

I'd worry if I was another team acquiring him.  Not because he's not NHL calibre but what is he away from that line?  It's hard to really say, we've almost never seen it.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

When Phil is on his game, he's an elite playmaker that needs a better centre, but I'd rather spread out the offense of McDavid and Kessel over the 2 lines. 

Well I mean it all depends on how they would click in training camp and whatnot, but keeping them apart could have it's benefits. For starters we don't know how Leafs fans would react seeing a legit 1st line winger playing with a legit 1st line centre. All of our minds could explode.

I remember when Sundin and Mogilny didn't play together, and people used to go bananas over that.

Remember the short-lived M.A.D line?

 

[Frank E]

When Phil is on his game, he's an elite playmaker that needs a better centre, but I'd rather spread out the offense of McDavid and Kessel over the 2 lines. 

Well I mean it all depends on how they would click in training camp and whatnot, but keeping them apart could have it's benefits. For starters we don't know how Leafs fans would react seeing a legit 1st line winger playing with a legit 1st line centre. All of our minds could explode.

I remember when Sundin and Mogilny didn't play together, and people used to go bananas over that.

Remember the short-lived M.A.D line?

I'll tell you, I don't remember them playing together much at all...it must have been very short lived, or my memory is letting me down, again. 

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I'll tell you, I don't remember them playing together much at all...it must have been very short lived, or my memory is letting me down, again. 

No, they definitely didn't. But I remember Quinn started a season with Tucker-Sundin-Mogilny (Mats-Alex-Darcy) and the experiment lasted like a couple of games because of how awful they were defensively even though they scored. Ah, accountability.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

I'll tell you, I don't remember them playing together much at all...it must have been very short lived, or my memory is letting me down, again. 

No, they definitely didn't. But I remember Quinn started a season with Tucker-Sundin-Mogilny (Mats-Alex-Darcy) and the experiment lasted like a couple of games because of how awful they were defensively even though they scored. Ah, accountability.

It's funny when you search their names you get a 2002 article from the Leafs website talking about putting Sundin-Mogilny together and leaving it awhile to "gel."  One of the first games they lit up the terrible Penguins too.

 

[Al14]

I'll tell you, I don't remember them playing together much at all...it must have been very short lived, or my memory is letting me down, again. 

No, they definitely didn't. But I remember Quinn started a season with Tucker-Sundin-Mogilny (Mats-Alex-Darcy) and the experiment lasted like a couple of games because of how awful they were defensively even though they scored. Ah, accountability.

It's funny when you search their names you get a 2002 article from the Leafs website talking about putting Sundin-Mogilny together and leaving it awhile to "gel."  One of the first games they lit up the terrible Penguins too.

Ah, the good ol'days!  We don't light anybody up any more!  Sometimes, I feel like we'll never be a playoff team again!

 

[Chris]

So, speaking of the draft...it's obviously a long shot, but what if the Leafs get McDavid?

How does that affect the rebuild?  He's likely to start with the team, and therefore beginning his ELC immediately.  I would think that this fast forwards the rebuild somewhat over, say, drafting Strome.

To me the biggest thing that changes is Kessel. If we get McDavid then Phil isn't going anywhere. I'd still be looking at stripping away parts like Bozak and, well, Bozak, and the idea behind being patient with our non-McDavid prospects would still be the same. But it definitely fast-forwards our rebuild quite a bit, enough so that Phil would still be a very valuable contributor to the team when we're ready to compete.

I'm not sure that "fast forwarding" the rebuild is the best idea. We want to do this right, which means develop a young group of players together over a period of years. We have a few exciting prospects but not nearly enough...so that probably means a couple of years of finishing near the bottom and getting high draft picks. Worst thing would be for McDavid and Kessel to click and score enough to mess up that plan.

If we win the lottery, ideally I'd like to see Kessel traded for another decent first rounder this year (+ whatever) if we can get it.

Of course, if Shanahan et al were to decide to keep Phil, I'd think they have a good reason for that decision. And they should have much more information available than we do as fans, so I'd support that. But I'm not convinced it wouldn't lead to another half-hearted rebuild that would leave us asking "why didn't we tear it all down" again in 5 years.