Official Ottawa Senators Thread

[Boston Leaf]

I hate the Senators as much as any Leaf fan would but this is horrible. Never want to see that happen.. I don't blame Cooke at all.. Just a freak accident

 

[Corn Flake]

Players need to start wearing protection back there.  This is a freak in jury but it does happen about once a season, give or take.  Wouldn't take much to prevent it either. Saves a year of being on the IR.

 

[Erndog]

Somehow, I think this will work out for Ottawa in the long run.  They weren't winning anything this year.

Next year, Karlsson, Spezza and Cowen (nobody really talks about him) are going to be back, they will likely have a better pick now, and a lot of their young players will see elevated roles (Zibinijad, Silfverberg, Weircoch, etc).  I can see a guy like Weircoch really taking a step forward now.  Which will either be good for their own team (if they stay as Senators) or they can parlay them into something they need (ex. if Weircoch plays well, they can trade him for a winger or something).

Terrible injury though, never like to see something like that happen to one of the games marquee players. 

 

[Zee]

I understand the Sens fans fury, if that had happened to a Leaf, say Kessel, we'd be freaking out.

 

[bustaheims]

Real_ESPNLeBrun: No hearing for Cooke, no Supplemental Discipline. Shanahan spoke with both GMs.

 

[Andy007]

Somehow, I think this will work out for Ottawa in the long run.  They weren't winning anything this year.

Next year, Karlsson, Spezza and Cowen (nobody really talks about him) are going to be back, they will likely have a better pick now, and a lot of their young players will see elevated roles (Zibinijad, Silfverberg, Weircoch, etc).  I can see a guy like Weircoch really taking a step forward now.  Which will either be good for their own team (if they stay as Senators) or they can parlay them into something they need (ex. if Weircoch plays well, they can trade him for a winger or something).

I agree with all of that but you also have to wonder how long Anderson will keep dominating for. He is a big reason that the Sens have had as much success as the've had the last two years and it's hard to determine for how long he'll keep up his surprisingly outstanding play.

 

[Kin]

If we're done with the love-in can we get back to thinking that the Senators are a bunch of whiners?

#JoshYohe: Murray: "It's Matt Cooke. What else should I say? Watch the replay."

and

Alfredsson chose his words carefully, but seemed unhappy with the hit.

?I don?t know it it?s intent to injure, but I don?t know why you would hit somebody like that in that situation.?

Senators coach Paul MacLean didn?t offer much of a comment either, though he did say ?we all know who?s involved with it,? an apparent reference to Cooke.

Leaving aside that the Senators in the past have shown them to have absolutely no problem with employing the Matt Cookes of the world it wasn't a penalty, it wasn't a dirty play. I get that it sucks when a player gets hurt by accident but you'd think there'd be more perspective from the team's leadership in public.

 

[Sucker Punch]

Murray says the tendon wasn't completely cut, estimates recovery time at 4 months.

Just happy he should be ready to go for next season.

 

[LittleHockeyFan]

Lord knows I don't like the senators, but I really Really REALLY can't stand Matt Cooke. Not sure I'm buying into the 'innocent play' stuff here either. Alas......

 

[cabber24]

Here's the replay  in slow-motion of the Karllson/Cooke 'collision'... at first it looks intentional on the part of Cooke, but, upon review, it looks more like he was off-balance.  Still, have never liked Cooke, and never will.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J63qxwekH4&feature=player_embedded

I think he did it on purpose. Cooke uses his skate on Karlsson's leg to stop himself, no one ever uses a foot stomp into the boards or into anything else to stop themselves, especially up high like that. Most players in that position would use there hands against the boards to stop themselves. Cooke uses excessive force on Karlsson's leg. It's not a hockey play, it's an attempt to injure.

I play hockey and I'm and very aware of my body position and my opponents. I know if I drag my foot that extra 1/100th of a second I could send a guy flying and sell it as an accident. I think they should throw the book at Cooke.

 

[Zee]

Here's the replay  in slow-motion of the Karllson/Cooke 'collision'... at first it looks intentional on the part of Cooke, but, upon review, it looks more like he was off-balance.  Still, have never liked Cooke, and never will.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J63qxwekH4&feature=player_embedded

I think he did it on purpose. Cooke uses his skate on Karlsson's leg to stop himself, no one ever uses a foot stomp into the boards or into anything else to stop themselves, especially up high like that. Most players in that position would use there hands against the boards to stop themselves. Cooke uses excessive force on Karlsson's leg. It's not a hockey play, it's an attempt to injure.

I play hockey and I'm and very aware of my body position and my opponents. I know if I drag my foot that extra 1/100th of a second I could send a guy flying and sell it as an accident. I think they should throw the book at Cooke.

No offense but I'm sure you don't play hockey at the highest level and at the speeds that the NHL is played.  You're also not trying to check Karlsson who is fairly elusive and quick on the ice.  Multiple coaches, GMs and hockey players have all weighed in on the incident and unanimously say it was an accident.  The league has also said there's no discipline hearing at all for Cooke.

 

[cabber24]

Here's the replay  in slow-motion of the Karllson/Cooke 'collision'... at first it looks intentional on the part of Cooke, but, upon review, it looks more like he was off-balance.  Still, have never liked Cooke, and never will.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J63qxwekH4&feature=player_embedded

I think he did it on purpose. Cooke uses his skate on Karlsson's leg to stop himself, no one ever uses a foot stomp into the boards or into anything else to stop themselves, especially up high like that. Most players in that position would use there hands against the boards to stop themselves. Cooke uses excessive force on Karlsson's leg. It's not a hockey play, it's an attempt to injure.

I play hockey and I'm and very aware of my body position and my opponents. I know if I drag my foot that extra 1/100th of a second I could send a guy flying and sell it as an accident. I think they should throw the book at Cooke.

No offense but I'm sure you don't play hockey at the highest level and at the speeds that the NHL is played.  You're also not trying to check Karlsson who is fairly elusive and quick on the ice.  Multiple coaches, GMs and hockey players have all weighed in on the incident and unanimously say it was an accident.  The league has also said there's no discipline hearing at all for Cooke.

Actually I do play in the NHL.........

I disagree with the assessment that it was an accident. Look at the replay his foot is going down towards his leg is stomping motion. His stomps as hard as he can.

 

[Zee]

Here's the replay  in slow-motion of the Karllson/Cooke 'collision'... at first it looks intentional on the part of Cooke, but, upon review, it looks more like he was off-balance.  Still, have never liked Cooke, and never will.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J63qxwekH4&feature=player_embedded

I think he did it on purpose. Cooke uses his skate on Karlsson's leg to stop himself, no one ever uses a foot stomp into the boards or into anything else to stop themselves, especially up high like that. Most players in that position would use there hands against the boards to stop themselves. Cooke uses excessive force on Karlsson's leg. It's not a hockey play, it's an attempt to injure.

I play hockey and I'm and very aware of my body position and my opponents. I know if I drag my foot that extra 1/100th of a second I could send a guy flying and sell it as an accident. I think they should throw the book at Cooke.

No offense but I'm sure you don't play hockey at the highest level and at the speeds that the NHL is played.  You're also not trying to check Karlsson who is fairly elusive and quick on the ice.  Multiple coaches, GMs and hockey players have all weighed in on the incident and unanimously say it was an accident.  The league has also said there's no discipline hearing at all for Cooke.

Actually I do play in the NHL.........

I disagree with the assessment that it was an accident.

I haven't heard any coach, GM or player outside of Ottawa suggest it was intentional.  Quite the opposite, everyone has gone out of their way to explain how it can happen accidentally. 

You on the Sens?

 

[cabber24]

Here's the replay  in slow-motion of the Karllson/Cooke 'collision'... at first it looks intentional on the part of Cooke, but, upon review, it looks more like he was off-balance.  Still, have never liked Cooke, and never will.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J63qxwekH4&feature=player_embedded

I think he did it on purpose. Cooke uses his skate on Karlsson's leg to stop himself, no one ever uses a foot stomp into the boards or into anything else to stop themselves, especially up high like that. Most players in that position would use there hands against the boards to stop themselves. Cooke uses excessive force on Karlsson's leg. It's not a hockey play, it's an attempt to injure.

I play hockey and I'm and very aware of my body position and my opponents. I know if I drag my foot that extra 1/100th of a second I could send a guy flying and sell it as an accident. I think they should throw the book at Cooke.

No offense but I'm sure you don't play hockey at the highest level and at the speeds that the NHL is played.  You're also not trying to check Karlsson who is fairly elusive and quick on the ice.  Multiple coaches, GMs and hockey players have all weighed in on the incident and unanimously say it was an accident.  The league has also said there's no discipline hearing at all for Cooke.

Actually I do play in the NHL.........

I disagree with the assessment that it was an accident.

I haven't heard any coach, GM or player outside of Ottawa suggest it was intentional.  Quite the opposite, everyone has gone out of their way to explain how it can happen accidentally. 

You on the Sens?

Look at the replay his foot is going down towards his leg is stomping motion. He stomps as hard as he can.

 

[Zee]

Here's the replay  in slow-motion of the Karllson/Cooke 'collision'... at first it looks intentional on the part of Cooke, but, upon review, it looks more like he was off-balance.  Still, have never liked Cooke, and never will.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J63qxwekH4&feature=player_embedded

I think he did it on purpose. Cooke uses his skate on Karlsson's leg to stop himself, no one ever uses a foot stomp into the boards or into anything else to stop themselves, especially up high like that. Most players in that position would use there hands against the boards to stop themselves. Cooke uses excessive force on Karlsson's leg. It's not a hockey play, it's an attempt to injure.

I play hockey and I'm and very aware of my body position and my opponents. I know if I drag my foot that extra 1/100th of a second I could send a guy flying and sell it as an accident. I think they should throw the book at Cooke.

No offense but I'm sure you don't play hockey at the highest level and at the speeds that the NHL is played.  You're also not trying to check Karlsson who is fairly elusive and quick on the ice.  Multiple coaches, GMs and hockey players have all weighed in on the incident and unanimously say it was an accident.  The league has also said there's no discipline hearing at all for Cooke.

Actually I do play in the NHL.........

I disagree with the assessment that it was an accident.

I haven't heard any coach, GM or player outside of Ottawa suggest it was intentional.  Quite the opposite, everyone has gone out of their way to explain how it can happen accidentally. 

You on the Sens?

Look at the replay his foot is going down towards his leg is stomping motion. He stomps as hard as he can.

Yeah, he's putting his leg down.  His eyes are following the puck, he has no idea he'll put his foot down on the back of Karlsson's ankle.

First pic. Leg already coming off the ground.  Cooke looking at puck, Karlsson's ankle nowhere near Cooke's skate.

Second pic.  Cooke's skate on his ankle because Karlsson's leg has moved that way.  Cooke still looking down where puck is.

 

[hockeyfan1]

There's such a thing as making something look accidental when in fact it's intentional.  It's possible Cooke knew exactly what he was doing.  But, since no one (not even the players) consider it as such (intentional), it would have to be left at that.

It's so easy for one to single out Cooke and accuse him of intentionally attempting to injure since he's had a record of past offences.  The fact that NHL disciplinarian Shanahan doesn't see a need for to mete out any punishable action obviously tells it like it is.

I'm surprised the players wear no all around protection in that area of the body.  Perhaps it hasn't been needed or it wouldn't feel right (some interference where the skate boot rises)?

 

[bustaheims]

I said it earlier in the thread and I'll say it again because I believe it's 100% true - if this incident didn't involve someone like Matt Cooke, there would have been hardly any discussion about it being intentional.

 

[bustaheims]

Actually I do play in the NHL.........

Sure you do . . .  :

 

[Erndog]

I said it earlier in the thread and I'll say it again because I believe it's 100% true - if this incident didn't involve someone like Matt Cooke, there would have been hardly any discussion about it being intentional.

Yup- I'd agree.  Without a doubt.

 

[Zee]

I said it earlier in the thread and I'll say it again because I believe it's 100% true - if this incident didn't involve someone like Matt Cooke, there would have been hardly any discussion about it being intentional.

Or if it had been some 4th line scrub and not Karlsson hurt on the play.