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Phaneuf To Sens

bustaheims said:
LuncheonMeat said:
The trade is negotiated prior to signing as well?
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Yes. The player doesn't sign the contract until the trade is finalized.
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Thanks. I've heard of sign and trade as it pertains to basketball, but am not a basketball fan, but this makes more sense.
 
This is an interesting link in describing the efforts that the Leafs management went into attempting to maximize Dion's numbers, and limit his exposure to the front line players on other teams.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2615283-how-the-maple-leafs-hoodwinked-the-senators-into-trading-for-dion-phaneuf


I had thought that Dion had played a disproportionate amount on the power play, given his modest totals, etc.,  and that Babcock was favoring him needlessly.  But certainly with this article (assuming its inherent validity),  it makes some sense.
 
Anyone missing Phaneuf now?

I don't miss him.

It's obvious to me now, that if he's not good enough to pull the Senaturds out of their funk, then, he is well overpaid as I have thought all along.  I think he's only worth about $4-$5M tops.

I'm glad we dumped him without any retention!
 
Al14 said:
Anyone missing Phaneuf now?

I don't miss him.

It's obvious to me now, that if he's not good enough to pull the Senaturds out of their funk, then, he is well overpaid as I have thought all along.  I think he's only worth about $4-$5M tops.

I'm glad we dumped him without any retention!
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I certainly echo your comments.

Even Kypreos, last week, said that it was clearly the case that he was never a "game changer", and his years in Toronto confirmed that point.

I don't think even his ardent supporters might think that he will make a difference in Ottawa making the playoffs or not.  But again, by all accounts he is a classy guy, who was good to the younger players.  (But, again, any tortured debates about his arguable talent, penalties, etc. should really now be on the Ottawa Senators fan sites). :)
 
x.jr.benchwarmer said:
Al14 said:
Anyone missing Phaneuf now?

I don't miss him.

It's obvious to me now, that if he's not good enough to pull the Senaturds out of their funk, then, he is well overpaid as I have thought all along.  I think he's only worth about $4-$5M tops.

I'm glad we dumped him without any retention!
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I certainly echo your comments.

Even Kypreos, last week, said that it was clearly the case that he was never a "game changer", and his years in Toronto confirmed that point.

I don't think even his ardent supporters might think that he will make a difference in Ottawa making the playoffs or not.  But again, by all accounts he is a classy guy, who was good to the younger players.  (But, again, any tortured debates about his arguable talent, penalties, etc. should really now be on the Ottawa Senators fan sites). :)
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Agreed. Dion's got some skills, but it's completely obvious now that he is MASSIVELY overpaid, which is a serious issue in a hard-cap league.

I remember thinking that when Nonis re-signed him to stick around. Any defenceman making 7 million should never, ever be gotten around like Dion has on the rush. Lou got the job done: jettisoned that albatross of a contract and got a pick and a prospect.

We're seeing more and more guys getting buyed-out/shipped-out not because they're not decent players and can't still contribute, but because their bloated contracts can handcuff a team for years.

Pre-cap era Rangers or Leafs would overpay and we'd be like: 'meh, not my money'. Post-cap era is now like: 'yeah... that money's gonna be better spent elsewhere.'
 
Looks like the Pylon is a great fit in Ottawa, with half the downtown roads under construction the need for heavy plastic cones is terrific. God bless him (from PPP):

Sens Hero: Dion Phaneuf

It has to be. Without his late game-tying goal, this was going to be a win for the Red Wings. He wasn't particularly strong possession-wise with Cody Ceci again (12-19 shot attempts), but he's looking much better compared to other Senators defensemen. I've generally liked what I've seen from him so far, and it's nice to see him getting lots of love.
 
http://babcockbling.com/2016/03/23/colin-greening-impressing-with-maple-leafs/

When the Sens traded Colin Greening to Toronto in early February, it was meant to be a salary dump. A $2.65 million dead weight to toil in the minors until his contract expired. 20 NHL games later, Colin has been anything but dead weight for the red hot Maple Leafs.

[...]

Colin Greening has been an analytics all star since joining the Maple Leafs. When he?s on the ice the Maple Leafs seem to always have the puck. He leads Leafs? forwards with more than 15 games played in CF60, at an impressive 65.89 (that jumps up to 73.47 in all situations). Greening is 3rd on the team in CA60 among forwards, at 49.81 (down to 44.52 all situations). He leads all Maple Leafs forwards in Corsi%, at 56.95% (62.27 all situations). Colin has 38 total shots in his 21 games since joining the Leafs (7.55 iSF60 all situations), on 61 shot attempts (12.79 iCF60 all situations).

Along with great possession metrics, Greening has been producing points as well.
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Colin has 9 points in 20 games with the Leafs, 6 of those in the last 12 games. Colin P60 of 1.55 isn?t super impressive, but it?s higher than fellow Leafs Peter Holland (1.08), Michael Grabner (0.97) and even Nazem Kadri (1.21). The team is having no problem scoring with Colin on the ice, with an expected GF60 of 2.75 (tied 2nd on team). Also, he has the lowest xGA60 on the team (besides Michalek and Rich Clune) at 1.96.
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This looks like even more of a fleece job as the games go by.

Ottawa's disbelief in deeper analytics and lack of player development (per Lindberg's comments) kind of makes me sad panda.
 
herman said:
This looks like even more of a fleece job as the games go by.

Ottawa's disbelief in deeper analytics and lack of player development (per Lindberg's comments) kind of makes me sad panda.
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Nice find. My initial thought watching Greening was "well, at least he has size", but he's never looked out of place in the lineup, particularly in a puck retrieval role. I think it was Nik the Trik or someone that mentioned how it isn't a good idea to overvalue 3rd line/mucker types, as they are easily replaceable. Well, Greening is a great case in point. At best, he was a throw in, and here we are.
 
Weird question - I think Greening has been primarily the wing, but NHL.com has him listed as a centre.  I'm assuming he can do both?
 
herman said:
http://babcockbling.com/2016/03/23/colin-greening-impressing-with-maple-leafs/

When the Sens traded Colin Greening to Toronto in early February, it was meant to be a salary dump. A $2.65 million dead weight to toil in the minors until his contract expired. 20 NHL games later, Colin has been anything but dead weight for the red hot Maple Leafs.

[...]

Colin Greening has been an analytics all star since joining the Maple Leafs. When he?s on the ice the Maple Leafs seem to always have the puck. He leads Leafs? forwards with more than 15 games played in CF60, at an impressive 65.89 (that jumps up to 73.47 in all situations). Greening is 3rd on the team in CA60 among forwards, at 49.81 (down to 44.52 all situations). He leads all Maple Leafs forwards in Corsi%, at 56.95% (62.27 all situations). Colin has 38 total shots in his 21 games since joining the Leafs (7.55 iSF60 all situations), on 61 shot attempts (12.79 iCF60 all situations).

Along with great possession metrics, Greening has been producing points as well.
[tweet]712321377961963520[/tweet]

Colin has 9 points in 20 games with the Leafs, 6 of those in the last 12 games. Colin P60 of 1.55 isn?t super impressive, but it?s higher than fellow Leafs Peter Holland (1.08), Michael Grabner (0.97) and even Nazem Kadri (1.21). The team is having no problem scoring with Colin on the ice, with an expected GF60 of 2.75 (tied 2nd on team). Also, he has the lowest xGA60 on the team (besides Michalek and Rich Clune) at 1.96.
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This looks like even more of a fleece job as the games go by.

Ottawa's disbelief in deeper analytics and lack of player development (per Lindberg's comments) kind of makes me sad panda.
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You really don't think that this is a bit of biased sample right now? You can't extrapolate true trends over the course of a few games.
 
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