Players for Monument outside ACC...

[AvroArrow]

Except the cost of this could be used to provide a "discount day" for those who don't normally get a chance to go to a game, or something similar.

That'd be a nice idea in theory, but really how effective would it be? Even if you ignore the fact that the ticket prices probably wouldn't drop all that much how do you guarantee that those tickets are going to fans who previously couldn't afford them? They could just as easily be bought by the same group of people that typically go to games but just at a cheaper rate.

I agree, but I'm sure there's ways to have a decent level of success with something like this.

Besides, it was just an example of how the money could be better spent.  There's probably tons of different ways to spend that money such as giving kids that come to games something special - maybe autographed pucks, or something.

Then someone else will come along and say there's an even BETTER way to spend that money.

Then let them.  What's the problem with that?  All I've said is that I think it's a stupid waste of money.  I don't see how that's a problem.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

It would be nice if the Leafs could do something like Junior Jays days.

Grated I get the skydome takes twice as many people, and there are twice as many games, but it would still be nice if they had some kind of incentive to get the kids to the games a little cheaper.

As great as that kind of stuff is, I see them more as promotions rather than giveaways. Teams/franchises that do stuff like that do them to put butts in what would have otherwise been empty seats. Then they hope that those people make up the cost by buying things at the concession. The Leafs obviously don't need promotions to do that.

 

[Joe S.]

It would be nice if the Leafs could do something like Junior Jays days.

Grated I get the skydome takes twice as many people, and there are twice as many games, but it would still be nice if they had some kind of incentive to get the kids to the games a little cheaper.

As great as that kind of stuff is, I see them more as promotions rather than giveaways. Teams/franchises that do stuff like that do them to put butts in what would have otherwise been empty seats. Then they hope that those people make up the cost by buying things at the concession. The Leafs obviously don't need promotions to do that.

I completely agree... it still would be nice though!

I do believe the Leafs are making a mistake with the kids coming up - this whole culture of die hard leafs fans will start fading away...

 

[Kin]

It would be nice if the Leafs could do something like Junior Jays days.

Grated I get the skydome takes twice as many people, and there are twice as many games, but it would still be nice if they had some kind of incentive to get the kids to the games a little cheaper.

I think the bigger problem there isn't so much the capacity or just the fact that the Jays actually have to try and sell tickets but really it's just the time of the games. It's virtually impossible for the Leafs to ever have a game during the afternoon and, aside from forgoing HNIC, actually impossible for the Leafs to have afternoon games on a day where kids wouldn't have school the next day.

 

[Kin]

Almsot all of which require becoming repeated occurrences over multiple seasons to have any lasting impact - so, they represent consistent extra spending. The monument, on the other hand, is a one time spending per statue that should last for as long as the Leafs play in the ACC.

Longer even. When I was in grad school I'd get off the Subway at College Station and the paintings on the wall there and even the old facade of the Gardens resonated with me and my memories of games there.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Except the cost of this could be used to provide a "discount day" for those who don't normally get a chance to go to a game, or something similar.

That'd be a nice idea in theory, but really how effective would it be? Even if you ignore the fact that the ticket prices probably wouldn't drop all that much how do you guarantee that those tickets are going to fans who previously couldn't afford them? They could just as easily be bought by the same group of people that typically go to games but just at a cheaper rate.

I agree, but I'm sure there's ways to have a decent level of success with something like this.

Besides, it was just an example of how the money could be better spent.  There's probably tons of different ways to spend that money such as giving kids that come to games something special - maybe autographed pucks, or something.

Then someone else will come along and say there's an even BETTER way to spend that money.

Then let them.  What's the problem with that?  All I've said is that I think it's a stupid waste of money.  I don't see how that's a problem.

Because I think you're only looking at this at a micro level instead of at a macro level.  What does it matter if you don't like it?  Why do you need to keep debating it - if you don't like it, you don't like it right?  But they can't look at these things at that small of a scale.

 

[AvroArrow]

Because I think you're only looking at this at a micro level instead of at a macro level.

I'm looking at this from the perspective of a fan that 1) doesn't live in TO and will probably never even see it in person and 2) someone who isn't old enough to have watched at least several of the players in it.  For me and others of a similar perspective, this monument holds little to no value.

What does it matter if you don't like it?

I don't know that I understand why you're asking this, but I'll try to answer it:

It matters to me.  I never said it should matter to everyone.  I am entitled to my own opinion.

Why do you need to keep debating it - if you don't like it, you don't like it right?

Again, I don't know that I understand why you're asking this.  It seems that you're trying to tell me I'm not allowed to have an opinion or defend/explain it.  People asked why or stated the opposite.  I responded.

 

[Joe S.]

It would be nice if the Leafs could do something like Junior Jays days.

Grated I get the skydome takes twice as many people, and there are twice as many games, but it would still be nice if they had some kind of incentive to get the kids to the games a little cheaper.

I think the bigger problem there isn't so much the capacity or just the fact that the Jays actually have to try and sell tickets but really it's just the time of the games. It's virtually impossible for the Leafs to ever have a game during the afternoon and, aside from forgoing HNIC, actually impossible for the Leafs to have afternoon games on a day where kids wouldn't have school the next day.

Absolutely - I was thinking of that as I typed it... the only day it would work is Saturday - and what incentive would there be to alter anything about the most in demand game of the week...

I knew my comments were unrealistic, but I just threw it out there.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Because I think you're only looking at this at a micro level instead of at a macro level.

I'm looking at this from the perspective of a fan that 1) doesn't live in TO and will probably never even see it in person and 2) someone who isn't old enough to have watched at least several of the players in it.  For me and others of a similar perspective, this monument holds little to no value.

History has no interest to you? Has no value?

 

[LuncheonMeat]

Almsot all of which require becoming repeated occurrences over multiple seasons to have any lasting impact - so, they represent consistent extra spending. The monument, on the other hand, is a one time spending per statue that should last for as long as the Leafs play in the ACC.

Longer even. When I was in grad school I'd get off the Subway at College Station and the paintings on the wall there and even the old facade of the Gardens resonated with me and my memories of games there.

I haven't lived in Ontario since the mid-90s, but wow does that bring back memories.  I used to love waiting for those images to appear in the windows when riding the subway when I was younger.

 

[AvroArrow]

Because I think you're only looking at this at a micro level instead of at a macro level.

I'm looking at this from the perspective of a fan that 1) doesn't live in TO and will probably never even see it in person and 2) someone who isn't old enough to have watched at least several of the players in it.  For me and others of a similar perspective, this monument holds little to no value.

History has no interest to you? Has no value?

Not really, no.  At least, not for hockey - war memorials are different.

 

[2badknees]

Longer even. When I was in grad school I'd get off the Subway at College Station and the paintings on the wall there and even the old facade of the Gardens resonated with me and my memories of games there.

Same here. The paintings at Carleton bring back memories of watching games at MLG with family. My pickup group rents the  ice once a year (or what's left of it), but I don't get more nostalgic than when I'm at the subway stop.

 

[freer]

Because I think you're only looking at this at a micro level instead of at a macro level.

I'm looking at this from the perspective of a fan that 1) doesn't live in TO and will probably never even see it in person and 2) someone who isn't old enough to have watched at least several of the players in it.  For me and others of a similar perspective, this monument holds little to no value.

History has no interest to you? Has no value?

Not really, no.  At least, not for hockey - war memorials are different.

That your opinion, unlike the majority of folks here. IMO it is nice to see players from the past be honored this way. IMO again this is the teams way of giving the players who built the teams fans base their ever lasting glory. BTW as serving member of the forces, I am glad that you appreciate war memorials and the vets who gave their lives so we can have this debate online!

 

[Peter D.]

Absolutely - I was thinking of that as I typed it... the only day it would work is Saturday - and what incentive would there be to alter anything about the most in demand game of the week...

I knew my comments were unrealistic, but I just threw it out there.

Actually, I think a Junior Jays type idea isn't that far fetched.  Not in the sense of lowered ticket prices, but in creating a bigger buzz in/around/outside the ACC prior to the game.  Right now all there seems to be is a Fan Zone leading up to the arena from Union Station.

I think there is a lot of potential there to be more kid friendly, and generally fan friendly, prior to a Saturday game. 

 

[Highlander]

Avro you are poor in spirit and competely self centred. Time to grow up.
Sorry but I was around in the 60's to see these great players and what the frikk are  you going on about. This has nothing to do with Ticket prices, paying the Pylon 7 Million a year does.

 

[Deebo]

This has nothing to do with Ticket prices, paying the Pylon 7 Million a year does.

No it doesn't.

 

[Highlander]

I was just kidding, hell we need some hockey as everyone here is getting very uptight. Bring on the rookie tourny for christsakes.

 

[2badknees]

I was just kidding, hell we need some hockey as everyone here is getting very uptight.

The only person getting uptight and making personal attacks is you.

 

[Kin]

I think there is a lot of potential there to be more kid friendly, and generally fan friendly, prior to a Saturday game.

Maybe, but I don't get the sense that the issue the Leafs are really facing these days is that the people actually going to games aren't having a good enough time, young or old. I think the problem they're facing is one that's sort of beyond their control which is just that more people want to go to games than there are tickets. I really don't even think it's an issue of cost because I can say personally that if I could buy face-value tickets a week or so before a game I'd probably go to a half-dozen games a year.

Right now, to a large number of fans, the Leafs are just a TV show and short of actually improving the team I don't know there's a lot they can do to actually engage the fans they're leaving behind.

 

[AvroArrow]

Avro you are poor in spirit and competely self centred

I'm poor in spirit and self centered because I don't think a monument of previous leaf greats contains any value for me?  :

No, I'm neither of those things.  And just because you think so, doesn't make it so, despite what you may think.

Time to grow up.

:

Sorry but I was around in the 60's to see these great players

What's your point?  You're being old and seeing these players doesn't change the fact that I didn't and have a different opinion on the monument than you and others.

and what the frikk are  you going on about. This has nothing to do with Ticket prices, paying the Pylon 7 Million a year does.

At this point, it doesn't surprise me that you can't understand what I've already posted several times.



Good lord.  If you get this upset about someone having a different opinion than you, then I really don't know how you survive the internet.