Randy Carlyle/Leaf Coach thread

[Kin]

I watched Moneyball! Apparent;y he was offered the most money ever to leave

But admittedly... he did turn it down >_>

Ah Hollywood. What they don't tell you is that his offer to stay involved a 4% ownership stake in the club.

 

[losveratos]

I watched Moneyball! Apparent;y he was offered the most money ever to leave

But admittedly... he did turn it down >_>

Ah Hollywood. What they don't tell you is that his offer to stay involved a 4% ownership stake in the club.

Damn you for bringing reality into Hollywood! But yeah... figures. I'd have tried to keep him too. Until he sold the book that is.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

More good stuff from Mirtle:

That absolute craziness of the final frame is part of a trend under Carlyle, whose teams are quickly becoming known for hanging back far too much with the lead. Toronto has blown several games in regulation this season and had to settle for playing in shootouts. However, the most troubling part of the issue is it was evident going way back to Carlyle?s teams in Anaheim for years.

(In the four-year period between 2007-08 and 2010-11, for example, the Ducks were 27th in the league in both goal differential and shot differential when leading a game.)

Whether that?s his system or how players are being deployed or a combination of both, this is one integral aspect of the Leafs game that absolutely must be ironed out in the coming weeks.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/leafs-beat/mirtle-leafs-bump-slump-with-hairy-win-over-bruins/article16339916/

And I also wanted to say I loved what Carlyle did with the D on the PP last night.  Gardiner-Phaneuf is much better than Phaneuf-Franson.  They were actually switching sides and setting up for one-timers.  Gardiner is a natural on the PP.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

And I also wanted to say I loved what Carlyle did with the D on the PP last night.  Gardiner-Phaneuf is much better than Phaneuf-Franson.  They were actually switching sides and setting up for one-timers.  Gardiner is a natural on the PP.

It was nice to see that kind of possession time on the power play. They were dominant for almost the full 2 minutes on that one PP.

 

[mr grieves]

And I also wanted to say I loved what Carlyle did with the D on the PP last night.  Gardiner-Phaneuf is much better than Phaneuf-Franson.  They were actually switching sides and setting up for one-timers.  Gardiner is a natural on the PP.

It was nice to see that kind of possession time on the power play. They were dominant for almost the full 2 minutes on that one PP.

Yeah, Carlyle and the team seem to get up for Boston. The PP pairings, McClement in a specialist role, a decent third line... and the top line has caught fire. Lots of good things there. Mirtle's right about the last period though. I wonder whether Boston's not coming back tells us that style relies on luck or that there's great importance to Tim Gleason's shot blocking.

 

[Corn Flake]

More good stuff from Mirtle:

That absolute craziness of the final frame is part of a trend under Carlyle, whose teams are quickly becoming known for hanging back far too much with the lead. Toronto has blown several games in regulation this season and had to settle for playing in shootouts. However, the most troubling part of the issue is it was evident going way back to Carlyle?s teams in Anaheim for years.

(In the four-year period between 2007-08 and 2010-11, for example, the Ducks were 27th in the league in both goal differential and shot differential when leading a game.)

Whether that?s his system or how players are being deployed or a combination of both, this is one integral aspect of the Leafs game that absolutely must be ironed out in the coming weeks.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/leafs-beat/mirtle-leafs-bump-slump-with-hairy-win-over-bruins/article16339916/

And I also wanted to say I loved what Carlyle did with the D on the PP last night.  Gardiner-Phaneuf is much better than Phaneuf-Franson.  They were actually switching sides and setting up for one-timers.  Gardiner is a natural on the PP.

I don't really see how you can automatically conclude that because the Ducks shot differential with the lead wasn't great that Carlyle or his system is the problem.  There are a million factors and variables in there.  His Ducks teams were dominant at times.  Perhaps getting early leads and letting in a few after that tends to lend to it. 

In the case of THIS team, sitting back too much with the lead, or vs. a heavy checking team like Boston who at times last night was getting on the forecheck VERY quick, I think that's more about a young team lacking experience and also being pretty fragile right now. I didn't see any intentional sitting back because they had the lead. I saw a team getting kind of overrun by Boston here and there and just not quite 100% sure how to stem the tide.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

I don't really see how you can automatically conclude that because the Ducks shot differential with the lead wasn't great that Carlyle or his system is the problem.  There are a million factors and variables in there.  His Ducks teams were dominant at times.  Perhaps getting early leads and letting in a few after that tends to lend to it. 

Here's some more stuff from an Anaheim blogger in the season Carlyle was fired:

Whenever the Ducks are up by two goals or down by one goal, the odds that Anaheim scores next is very, very slim. It is kind of stunning that with all the trailing that's been happening in Anaheim, Ducks have only been able to tie the score from behind only six times. You'd hope that once trailing, the Ducks could adjust their game to some sort of offensive focus in pursuit of that game-tying goal, but whatever they're doing, it's awful. Most early deficits are staying deficits; Ducks apparently don't have that ability to adjust their game in that direction.

When leading, the Ducks are pretty awful, too -- even the two victories the Ducks have over their past 18 games have both featured nearly-blown multi-goal 3rd-period leads. Put the Ducks up by multiple goals, and the Ducks will stop playing for the night. Sometimes the clock will expire in time to keep that lead intact; lately it takes opponents hardly any time at all to catch up. Whatever Carlyle is coaching, it isn't helping when the Ducks lead or trail.

Tie situations seem like they could go either way, but even that's kind of deceptive. So far this season, 31 times the Ducks have entered a 20-minute period with the score tied. In 8 of those periods the Ducks managed to outshoot their opponents; in 21 of those periods Anaheim's opponents outshot the Ducks. So really, no matter the score, I don't like how Carlyle's Ducks are performing. And results don't appear to be any better than they were a month ago

http://www.battleofcali.com/2011/11/30/2592092/ducks-lossday-lets-talk-about-fire-carlyle

Take from it what you will, nothing's cut and dry, but there do appear to be a lot of similarities.  And that was a team with playoff experience.

EDIT: Had a few more minutes to google, and here's another from November 2010:

That identity seems to be scoring from almost exclusively the top two lines, forechecking and energy from the bottom two and solid special teams.

The Ducks aren't making it easy on themselves by blowing third-period leads like they have done against Nashville and San Jose or letting teams get an opening late like they have against the New York Islanders and Dallas.

No Ducks lead seems safe.

http://www.ocregister.com/ducks/ducks-428796-strong-http.html

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

Yeah, Carlyle and the team seem to get up for Boston. The PP pairings, McClement in a specialist role, a decent third line... and the top line has caught fire. Lots of good things there. Mirtle's right about the last period though. I wonder whether Boston's not coming back tells us that style relies on luck or that there's great importance to Tim Gleason's shot blocking.

Well, it is nice to see a veteran get all the way down and block a shot like the old days.

As far as Carlyle is concerned, better late than never I suppose with the changes in the line-up.

 

[LuncheonMeat]

I'm curious, does anyone know how much ice time Holland saw in the third period last night?  Seems like he played a solid game, but I don't remember seeing him much near the end of the game when the Leafs were playing with the lead.  I did, however, see Kadri taking some defensive zone draws.

 

[Arn]

I'm curious, does anyone know how much ice time Holland saw in the third period last night?  Seems like he played a solid game, but I don't remember seeing him much near the end of the game when the Leafs were playing with the lead.  I did, however, see Kadri taking some defensive zone draws.

7 Shifts in period 1; 5min 38
6 Shifts in period 2; 2min 18
5 Shifts in period 3; 2 min 30

All even strength ice time.

We didn't have any PK time in period 1 and McClement played 2:59
We killed 2 penalties in period 2 & one in period 3 and McClement played 4:48 and 4:04 with 2:14 and 1:13 on the PK

 

[BrownRolo]

I liked Carlyle's speech on Episode 4 of Road to the Winter Classic. The clip they showed was so confusing. He's talking to Bernier about switching sides after 10 minutes but the way he says it makes no sense at all. The camera then cuts to Bernier who has this confused look on his face. Then to top the speech off Carlyle throws the marker at the whiteboard for some reason when his finished. I guess to motivate the troops...?

Carlyle reminds me of Rob Ford

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Carlyle was fired from Anaheim in 2011-12 with the team 7-13-4.  They are 93-43-18 since. 

 

[Crucialness Key]

Carlyle was fired from Anaheim in 2011-12 with the team 7-13-4.  They are 93-43-18 since. 

Well damn, we need to hire their coach.

 

[LuncheonMeat]

I'm curious, does anyone know how much ice time Holland saw in the third period last night?  Seems like he played a solid game, but I don't remember seeing him much near the end of the game when the Leafs were playing with the lead.  I did, however, see Kadri taking some defensive zone draws.

7 Shifts in period 1; 5min 38
6 Shifts in period 2; 2min 18
5 Shifts in period 3; 2 min 30

All even strength ice time.

We didn't have any PK time in period 1 and McClement played 2:59
We killed 2 penalties in period 2 & one in period 3 and McClement played 4:48 and 4:04 with 2:14 and 1:13 on the PK

I thought Holland looked pretty good from the first shift, so his ice time is a little dissapointing.  I would love to see him on that second line with Lupul as I thought they had pretty good chemistry when they played together before. 

 

[CarltonTheBear]

David Alter ‏@DavidAlter590 13m
Lupul on line struggle: Ideally I'd lwant to play on the left wing, that's where I'm much more comfortable, hasn't been the case w/ Injuries

Injuries? The top-9 wingers have been healthy ever since Lupul moved to the right wing.

 

[L K]

David Alter ‏@DavidAlter590 13m
Lupul on line struggle: Ideally I'd lwant to play on the left wing, that's where I'm much more comfortable, hasn't been the case w/ Injuries

Injuries? The top-9 wingers have been healthy ever since Lupul moved to the right wing.

Carlyle logic:  Lupul, struggles at RW in Anaheim; a PPG player on the LW.  Play him at RW regardless.  It seems pretty absurd to give line preference to Mason Raymond who most likely won't be a Leaf next year.

 

[freer]

David Alter ‏@DavidAlter590 13m
Lupul on line struggle: Ideally I'd lwant to play on the left wing, that's where I'm much more comfortable, hasn't been the case w/ Injuries

Injuries? The top-9 wingers have been healthy ever since Lupul moved to the right wing.

Carlyle logic:  Lupul, struggles at RW in Anaheim; a PPG player on the LW.  Play him at RW regardless.  It seems pretty absurd to give line preference to Mason Raymond who most likely won't be a Leaf next year.

Why his play would suggest that he would be signed again. I would pay him 2.5 - 3. a season

 

[Crucialness Key]

David Alter ‏@DavidAlter590 13m
Lupul on line struggle: Ideally I'd lwant to play on the left wing, that's where I'm much more comfortable, hasn't been the case w/ Injuries

Injuries? The top-9 wingers have been healthy ever since Lupul moved to the right wing.

Carlyle logic:  Lupul, struggles at RW in Anaheim; a PPG player on the LW.  Play him at RW regardless.  It seems pretty absurd to give line preference to Mason Raymond who most likely won't be a Leaf next year.

OR... you could do...

Lupul - Kadri - Kulemin
Raymond - Holland - Clarkson or injury replacement

MADNESS!!!!!!!

 

[freer]

David Alter ‏@DavidAlter590 13m
Lupul on line struggle: Ideally I'd lwant to play on the left wing, that's where I'm much more comfortable, hasn't been the case w/ Injuries

Injuries? The top-9 wingers have been healthy ever since Lupul moved to the right wing.

Carlyle logic:  Lupul, struggles at RW in Anaheim; a PPG player on the LW.  Play him at RW regardless.  It seems pretty absurd to give line preference to Mason Raymond who most likely won't be a Leaf next year.

OR... you could do...

Lupul - Kadri - Kulemin
Raymond - Holland - Clarkson or injury replacement

MADNESS!!!!!!!

I say Lupul Holland Kulemin
Raymond Kadri -????

Because I dont like the way kadri is playing as of late.

 

[Stickytape]

David Alter ‏@DavidAlter590 13m
Lupul on line struggle: Ideally I'd lwant to play on the left wing, that's where I'm much more comfortable, hasn't been the case w/ Injuries

Injuries? The top-9 wingers have been healthy ever since Lupul moved to the right wing.

Carlyle logic:  Lupul, struggles at RW in Anaheim; a PPG player on the LW.  Play him at RW regardless.  It seems pretty absurd to give line preference to Mason Raymond who most likely won't be a Leaf next year.

OR... you could do...

Lupul - Kadri - Kulemin
Raymond - Holland - Clarkson or injury replacement

MADNESS!!!!!!!

I say Lupul Holland Kulemin
Raymond Kadri -????

Because I dont like the way kadri is playing as of late.

Yes, this please.  I've been wanting to split Kulemin and Clarkson up for a while, and likewise with moving Lupul back to the left wing.  It's easy to accomplish both of these things at the same time. 

The only question is whether Kulemin or Clarkson is on the 2nd or 3rd line, and likewise with Holland and Kadri.  I'd try it a few ways just to see what clicks, but those combinations make the most sense to me.  My money is on:

Lupul Holland Kulemin
Raymond Kadri Clarkson

Admittedly, the current 3rd line looked good vs Buffalo, but that was one game, and the 2nd line is still dragging a little.  I say mix it up.