Randy Carlyle/Leaf Coach thread
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Optimus Reimer
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I am on the fence regarding firing Carlyle. Reason being is that in some of the games the Leafs were outshot, there really were not a lot of good scoring chances for the other team...any decent NHL goalie would be expected to make those saves. Some goalies prefer to face a lot of shots as it keeps their head in the game, and some goalies actually thrive when facing a lot of shots.
The flip side is when the Leafs cannot generate 5 shots in one period against one of the worst teams in the league...that with the fire power the team has. It would have been okay if the Panthers outshot the Leafs 19-12 or something like that, but 19-4 is unacceptable. The other concern is Carlyle's desire to dress the thugs and breaking up line chemistry in order to insert the thugs into the lineup. These thugs when on the ice play like they couldn't handle a Bantam line. Notice how other teams have the puck in the Leaf end for lengthy periods of time when the Leafs 4th line is on the ice because they cannot clear the puck out of their zone? It tires down and breaks down the Leafs defensive pairing, will lead to penalties resulting in goals because right now the Leafs are having a tough time killing penalties. Also notice how many fights the thugs had against the Panthers? if they are not going to fight or contribute to the success of the team on the ice, they shouldn't be dressed.
So if Carlyle is not willing to put the best players he has available on the ice, he should be canned.
The flip side is when the Leafs cannot generate 5 shots in one period against one of the worst teams in the league...that with the fire power the team has. It would have been okay if the Panthers outshot the Leafs 19-12 or something like that, but 19-4 is unacceptable. The other concern is Carlyle's desire to dress the thugs and breaking up line chemistry in order to insert the thugs into the lineup. These thugs when on the ice play like they couldn't handle a Bantam line. Notice how other teams have the puck in the Leaf end for lengthy periods of time when the Leafs 4th line is on the ice because they cannot clear the puck out of their zone? It tires down and breaks down the Leafs defensive pairing, will lead to penalties resulting in goals because right now the Leafs are having a tough time killing penalties. Also notice how many fights the thugs had against the Panthers? if they are not going to fight or contribute to the success of the team on the ice, they shouldn't be dressed.
So if Carlyle is not willing to put the best players he has available on the ice, he should be canned.
GhostofPotvin29
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Optimus Reimer said:
Any NHL team is going to have "some" games where the other team doesn't get a boatload of great chances. Some people still claim that the Leafs don't give up a lot of "quality" scoring chances, but simply by watching the games you know that isn't true in the vast majority of games this season.
GhostofPotvin29
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Also:
Leafs offense always seems to suck when he plays a lot.
EDIT: Referring to ES minutes when I say plays a lot.
Leafs offense always seems to suck when he plays a lot.
EDIT: Referring to ES minutes when I say plays a lot.
GhostofPotvin29
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L K said:
He had 2:19 of PK time, so at ES he was 16:30, still 8 seconds more than Kadri (no PP time for the Leafs).
bustaheims
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Potvin29 said:
Not that the Leafs had much of any last night, but, yeah, his line definitely seems to destroy whatever offensive flow the team has going for it. When he's on the 3rd line, they basically become a defensive shell that gets stuck in their own end most of the night.
bustaheims
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L K said:
Oh, absolutely. Selke players are all about getting hemmed in the defensive zone and being almost completely ineffective with the puck anywhere else on the ice.
GhostofPotvin29
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bustaheims said:
McKegg had to get sent down so that Smithson could come up (for his defensive play and strong face-offs), take 1 face-off, play 5:52, and give McClement tons of ES ice.
I'd rather we sucked with McKegg than McClement in those minutes.
EDIT: Mirtle just tweeted this too:
GhostofPotvin29
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RedLeaf said:
No, but it's been a recurring theme all season, and even during the winning streak they were giving up over 3.00 goals against per game. That's not sustainable for your offense and is not the mark of a playoff-calibre team to be giving up that many goals per game despite .915 SV% goaltending.
Redleaf
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Potvin29 said:
That's fair. I'm not arguing the fact that they should be an automatic lock to make it. I've been pointing out their inconsistencies along with everyone else.
This team is still learning the ropes for the most part. Youthful and inexperienced at nearly every position. Their confidence waivers like a teeter-totter on a game to game basis. They are what they are. I'm just not so sure a coaching change would provide anything other than another short term winning streak. I don't agree with everything Carlyle does with this lineup, but he's getting more wins than losses out of them. I'm happy with that for the time being.
ZBBM
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Potvin29 said:
Yes, what last night's little excursion to Barfville shows (again, as if it needed to be demonstrated) is that this team has some intriguing talents but has nowhere near the overall chops to be considered a serious contender. Teams that have a serious shot at the Cup usually dominate lesser teams on a regular basis; we don't.
I personally think a different coaching strategy could potentially do a lot to clean up the defensive mess, but maybe that's just wishful thinking. Wilson and Maurice were both touted as defensive coaches and they never got it done.
GhostofPotvin29
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RedLeaf said:
Well he is and he isn't. They've got 21 ROW's, meaning the team's got 21 wins, 22 losses and 2 OT losses in regulation or OT. 9 wins and 4 losses in the shootout, something you can't really term a 'team' skill or something the coach can really make a difference in.
So if we're thinking of this team as hopefully a playoff team (where there is no shootout), their regulation OT record right now looks like 21-22-2. It's not exactly a ringing endorsement at this point.
EDIT: And I suppose under the old format, it would be 21-22-15 if ties existed.
Stickytape
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Potvin29 said:
And even with a record of 21-22-2, I give more credit to the goalies than to Carlyle. Bernier and Reimer have stolen more games for this team than... whatever it is that Carlyle is supposedly doing right.
Redleaf
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Potvin29 said:
I'm not here to defend Carlyle, but the team is sporting a winning record this season under his coaching staff. Make of that what you will. Like I've stated many times before, this is a team in transition. You could have the 1970s Scotty Bowman coaching this squad, and the results wouldn't be much different.
bustaheims
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Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
At the same time, Maurice and Wilson had a major weakness in the most important part of the lineup that, whereas Carlyle has that as his teams' biggest strength. Maurice and Wilson also didn't have the same overall level of talent to work with. While I don't think either Maurice or Wilson were/are the best coaches, if you gave them the same level of goaltending Carlyle has been privileged to receive, their teams would have been significantly better. Neither of them saw their teams outshot this drastically on this frequent a basis.
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