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Ranking Prospects 2020-2021

Bender said:
I mean they say to not draft for positional need but at some point you have to slot those positions one way or another.
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I think that not drafting for positional need is only really a thing if you've got a high first round pick and you're pretty convinced both guys will be decent NHLers. In that case, yeah, you should ignore position and go with the guy you think is the better bet.

When you're dealing with 2nd and 3rd rounders it's such a crap shoot, with the odds against any of them making a serious impact, that rather than pretending you have a crystal ball the position a guy plays is a fair piece of information to be part of your thinking.
 
15. Semyon Der-Arguchintsev

A Peterbro! But won't be one next year :(
If hockey returns, Der-Arguchintsev will more than likely be a top-6 centre in Newfoundland or take over Bracco's niche on the Marlies as playmaking winger but with more defensive potential.
 
Nik said:
When you're dealing with 2nd and 3rd rounders it's such a crap shoot, with the odds against any of them making a serious impact, that rather than pretending you have a crystal ball the position a guy plays is a fair piece of information to be part of your thinking.
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Agreed. Once you get later in the draft (especially from the 3rd round on), there's so little separating large groups of prospects that there will almost always be guys at every position with similar ceilings. At that point, you should be seriously considering organizational needs as a factor.
 
14. Mikhail Abramov

Freshly ELC'd in March as a result of his great D+1 season (35 goals and 76 points in 63 games), Abramov looks like a really good 4th round pick. Coming off the dev camp last summer, he resolved to shoot more than to try to facilitate play through his linemates (fellow import linemate Egor Serdyuk went from 25G/40A last year to 16G/24A -- Serduyk was drafted in the 6th round last year by the Flyers).

PPP made note of his game-change early this year, before 2020 rounded into form (I think only Australia was on fire at the time).

There was a recent spotlight profile on Abramov on the Athletic about how he redefined his game from perimeter playmaker to Nylander-esque high danger finisher.
 
13. Nick Abruzzese

Abruzzese and Abramov are going to be linked for the foreseeable future on account of a) being drafted in about the same block (2019 4th rd), b) having names that start with A (also Mik and Nick), c) having little to no expectations on them and then blowing up in their post-draft season. And now that I've read the linked article, I see others have similar observations.

Abruzzese is an overager, but definitely a late bloomer on the physical side. Even though he's older, I had Abruzzese just a bit higher than Abramov because he did it as a smoller body and is a big time nerd about his hockey (a la Tavares, Hyman)
 
Good article on Kalle Loponen in the Athletic today, gotta say the kid has a very high opinion of himself.  Came to Sudbury for a year and grew, now making the decision to go back to Europe and play more tactical hockey.  I like his tude and hope the kid can make the jump one day.
 
herman said:
OldTimeHockey said:
Is Engvall aged out?
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He's just outside my top ten, with Abramov, Der-Arguchintsev, and Kokkonen; mostly due to his age (he's Nylander age) and offensive instincts/potential at the NHL level (minimal). Korshkov is the same age, but has more of a nose for the net and playmaking.
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https://twitter.com/torontomarlies/status/1278750286803341313
 
Have to say, that Korshkov may end up being a very good pick. The guy has net skills and for a big man skates pretty well.  Sort of reminds me of Fredrik Modin, perhaps with better hands, hard to say at this point.
 
herman said:
herman said:
OldTimeHockey said:
Is Engvall aged out?
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He's just outside my top ten, with Abramov, Der-Arguchintsev, and Kokkonen; mostly due to his age (he's Nylander age) and offensive instincts/potential at the NHL level (minimal). Korshkov is the same age, but has more of a nose for the net and playmaking.
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https://twitter.com/torontomarlies/status/1278750286803341313
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And yet strangely, Engvall is still yet to be named.  ;)
 
Gotta prospect pyramid this, because linear lists cause irrelevant valuations
This is mine
Tier 1: Auston Matthews
Tier 2: William Nylander, Mitch Marner
Tier 3: Nick Robertson, Rasmus Sandin
Tier 4: Timothy Liljegren, Travis Dermott, Kasperi Kapanen
Tier 5: Nick Abruzzese, Egor Korshkov, Pierre Engvall, Mikhail Abramov, Mikko Kokkenen, Semyon Der-Arguchintsev, Denis Malgin, Adam Brooks
Tier 6: Joey Duszak, Filip Kral, Jesper Lindgren, Mac Hollowell, Joseph Woll, Ian Scott, Kristians Rubins, Jeremy Bracco
 
Putting a future draft pick on our list of top prospects is not the most inspiring statement on the team's future.
 
https://theleafsnation.com/2020/07/06/what-to-expect-from-nick-robertson-this-summer/

Still can?t believe this was a late 2nd.
 
9. Pierre Engvall

Hey OTH, it's ya boy and future Seattle Coho Salmon
Hardev: First of all, I would just like to say I was right about Engvall. Giraffes will always prevail. Second, I struggled to find a spot for him. He doesn?t fit in the top group per se, but he?s well above all the maybes. But at the same time I wanted to give some credit to the kids with upside (I ranked Kokkonen, Abruzzese, and SDA higher). Engvall isn?t going to provide major value to the Leafs, but what he does provide is valuable. I didn?t like Engvall?s 2020 at all. He didn?t look like himself, which either told me his offensive game couldn?t keep up after the jump to the NHL, or that he was just going through a shooting bender (which he?s done a few times before). Considering his start, I?m inclined to believe it?s the latter. I hope he can find his confidence next year and show some of that offensive strength he has. He?s great in front of the net and as a shooter on top of all his defensive qualities that are so clearly visible.
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herman said:
9. Pierre Engvall

Hey OTH, it's ya boy and future Seattle Coho Salmon
Hardev: First of all, I would just like to say I was right about Engvall. Giraffes will always prevail. Second, I struggled to find a spot for him. He doesn?t fit in the top group per se, but he?s well above all the maybes. But at the same time I wanted to give some credit to the kids with upside (I ranked Kokkonen, Abruzzese, and SDA higher). Engvall isn?t going to provide major value to the Leafs, but what he does provide is valuable. I didn?t like Engvall?s 2020 at all. He didn?t look like himself, which either told me his offensive game couldn?t keep up after the jump to the NHL, or that he was just going through a shooting bender (which he?s done a few times before). Considering his start, I?m inclined to believe it?s the latter. I hope he can find his confidence next year and show some of that offensive strength he has. He?s great in front of the net and as a shooter on top of all his defensive qualities that are so clearly visible.
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Agreed. I do like Engvall but at this point he seems like a bit of jack of all trades/PK specialist, which isn't bad, but I'm hoping he can chip in more offense on a consistent level.
 
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