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Ranking Prospects

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Corey Pronman's team rankings by prospect strength:
http://insider.espn.go.com/nhl/insider/story/_/id/13413499/nhl-ranking-every-nhl-team-prospect-strength

If you don't have a subscription: some kind soul on reddit has posted the text.

Spoiler Alert: Edmonton is first.
 
"The Leafs' system has skyrocketed the past 12 months, following a great 2015 draft, key trades and progression from some prospects. Mitch Marner and William Nylander are true top-flight names, and they have a lot of depth in quality prospects, many of whom are in my top 100 overall NHL prospects column."
 
When have the Leafs ever been ranked in the top 10 for prospects, never mind number 2? And the article says they're only number two because of McDavid. This is uncharted territory for the team.
 
Lynx said:
When have the Leafs ever been ranked in the top 10 for prospects, never mind number 2? And the article says they're only number two because of McDavid. This is uncharted territory for the team.
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It's just one man's systematic ranking...

but I can't help but feel...
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Corey Pronman on TSN 1050 talking about his rankings and why the Leafs are his #2.
http://mapleleafshotstove.com/2015/08/12/corey-pronman-discusses-ranking-maple-leafs-second-in-prospect-strength/

Andy McNamara: Last year, the Leafs were ranked 17th. This year, you have them all the way up to #2. Why?

Pronman: A lot has changed in the course of a year. The organization has made a clear direction change in terms of how they think they?re going to win, which is over the long term. They?ve also changed the emphasis on the kind of players they want to acquire. I think you look at how their 2015 draft went; they bulked assets in terms of trading down, and then took really upside/ceiling-type of players. You?re thinking of Travis Dermott, or guys like Jeremy Bracco, and some other guys in the later rounds. And then they obviously were big on getting prospects via trade. I really like Brendan Leipsic, the guy they got in the Cody Franson deal. We can talk for a long time about the Phil Kessel trade and whether or not it was equitable, but Kasperi Kapanen and Scott Harrington are very good prospects. Obviously they got Mitch Marner fourth overall; William Nylander, Connor Brown had very good seasons. You put all this together and the farm system looks dramatically different from 12 months ago.
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More from Pronman, he released his annual top-100 drafted prospects list this morning, here's how the Leafs prospects fared:

4) Marner
6) Nylander
29) Kapanen
39) Bracco
72) Brown
77) Johnson
84) Harrington
97) Leipsic

I'm sure someone else online will do the math, but I have a sneaking suspicion that the Leafs have the most amount of prospects in this list.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
More from Pronman, he released his annual top-100 drafted prospects list this morning, here's how the Leafs prospects fared:

4) Marner
6) Nylander
29) Kapanen
39) Bracco
72) Brown
77) Johnson
84) Harrington
97) Leipsic

I'm sure someone else online will do the math, but I have a sneaking suspicion that the Leafs have the most amount of prospects in this list.
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I don't quite understand how Bracco makes the list at a high ranking, yet Dermott doesn't? 
 
pmrules said:
I don't quite understand how Bracco makes the list at a high ranking, yet Dermott doesn't? 
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Pronman had Bracco ranked 16th and Dermott 95th in his pre-draft rankings. The scouting services were all pretty split on those two. I think ISS, FC, and Sportsnet had Bracco going ahead and McKeens, CS, and TSN had Dermott.

Generally speaking you'll never find a true consensus for prospects after the top crop of the guys you're looking at.
 
pmrules said:
I don't quite understand how Bracco makes the list at a high ranking, yet Dermott doesn't? 
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Forwards are sexier.

CarltonTheBear said:
More from Pronman, he released his annual top-100 drafted prospects list this morning, here's how the Leafs prospects fared:

4) Marner
6) Nylander
29) Kapanen
39) Bracco
72) Brown
77) Johnson
84) Harrington
97) Leipsic

I'm sure someone else online will do the math, but I have a sneaking suspicion that the Leafs have the most amount of prospects in this list.
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Thanks, CarltonTheBear!
 
CarltonTheBear said:
pmrules said:
I don't quite understand how Bracco makes the list at a high ranking, yet Dermott doesn't? 
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Pronman had Bracco ranked 16th and Dermott 95th in his pre-draft rankings. The scouting services were all pretty split on those two. I think ISS, FC, and Sportsnet had Bracco going ahead and McKeens, CS, and TSN had Dermott.
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So, does  this ranking make you question whether Dermott was the right pick then at 34?  What did Shanny/Hunter see in him that others didn't?  I only ask because Pronman's opinion is quite generally a good opinion and he doesn't seem to be a fan of Dermott. 

I only ask because I'm still somewhat miffed at the 2nd trade down - not greatly miffed...just somewhat miffed.  The first trade down was potentially great as it could have ultimately netted us Merkley/Roy at 29 and Bracco at 61.  Instead we traded Merkley/Roy for 34 and 68 (Dermott and Dzerkials).  I can understand if the Leafs all felt that Merkley=Roy=Dermott, then yes, of course you do the deal as Dzerkials is a bonus.  But I'm not sure based on the rankings if that equation is correct.

Do you know where Merkley/Roy ended up in Pronman's rankings - I don't have access? 
 
pmrules said:
So, does  this ranking make you question whether Dermott was the right pick then at 34?  What did Shanny/Hunter see in him that others didn't?  I only ask because Pronman's opinion is quite generally a good opinion and he doesn't seem to be a fan of Dermott. 

Do you know where Merkley/Roy ended up in Pronman's rankings - I don't have access? 
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At the time I didn't mind the 2nd trade-down but yeah Dermott wouldn't have been the guy I picked, just based on what I've read about the draft. Since then though I've sort of learned to give Hunter & Dubas the benefit of the doubt. They clearly had a plan in regards to how many times they wanted to pick and who they wanted to pick. I think that everyone knows that I was on #TeamSprong for picks in that area and while I still think Marner/Sprong/Bracco would have been freaking amazing I'll live with what we've got.

pmrules said:
The first trade down was potentially great as it could have ultimately netted us Merkley/Roy at 29 and Bracco at 61.  Instead we traded Merkley/Roy for 34 and 68 (Dermott and Dzerkials).  I can understand if the Leafs all felt that Merkley=Roy=Dermott, then yes, of course you do the deal as Dzerkials is a bonus.  But I'm not sure based on the rankings if that equation is correct.
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I don't know if I'd look at the equation exactly like that. It's more like would you have rather picked one guy with a 43% chance of becoming a regular NHL player or had two draft selections that that each carried a 32-33% of becoming regular NHL players (values from Scott Cullen). Given what we know about Dubas I'm sure that's how he looked at it.

pmrules said:
Do you know where Merkley/Roy ended up in Pronman's rankings - I don't have access?
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Merkley was 44th and Roy 48th. Dermott was included as an honourable mention.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
pmrules said:
So, does  this ranking make you question whether Dermott was the right pick then at 34?  What did Shanny/Hunter see in him that others didn't?  I only ask because Pronman's opinion is quite generally a good opinion and he doesn't seem to be a fan of Dermott. 

Do you know where Merkley/Roy ended up in Pronman's rankings - I don't have access? 
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At the time I didn't mind the 2nd trade-down but yeah Dermott wouldn't have been the guy I picked, just based on what I've read about the draft. Since then though I've sort of learned to give Hunter & Dubas the benefit of the doubt. They clearly had a plan in regards to how many times they wanted to pick and who they wanted to pick. I think that everyone knows that I was on #TeamSprong for picks in that area and while I still think Marner/Sprong/Bracco would have been freaking amazing I'll live with what we've got.
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That's kind of where I'm at.  I'll live with Dermott and Dzerkials, but will always wonder what if, depending on how Merkley and Roy perform. (And I guess You'd be doing the same with Sprong). 

pmrules said:
The first trade down was potentially great as it could have ultimately netted us Merkley/Roy at 29 and Bracco at 61.  Instead we traded Merkley/Roy for 34 and 68 (Dermott and Dzerkials).  I can understand if the Leafs all felt that Merkley=Roy=Dermott, then yes, of course you do the deal as Dzerkials is a bonus.  But I'm not sure based on the rankings if that equation is correct.
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I don't know if I'd look at the equation exactly like that. It's more like would you have rather picked one guy with a 43% chance of becoming a regular NHL player or had two draft selections that that each carried a 32-33% of becoming regular NHL players (values from Scott Cullen). Given what we know about Dubas I'm sure that's how he looked at it.
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Yes...of course they obviously feel that the chances of Dermott + Dzerkials > Merkley or Roy were pretty high, so that's why they probably did the deal. 

pmrules said:
Do you know where Merkley/Roy ended up in Pronman's rankings - I don't have access?
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Merkley was 44th and Roy 48th. Dermott was included as an honourable mention.
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Hmm...this doesn't help with my being miffed at the 2nd trade down - quality prospects were obviously available at 29.  I personally haven't seen any of these guys play, so I value a guy like Pronman's opinion a lot, so let's hope that Dermott plus Dzerkials don't let us down. 
 
Pronman's full list here: https://www.reddit.com/r/leafs/comments/3guroo/can_someone_post_pronmans_new_rankings_released/

4. Mitch Marner, C, Toronto Maple Leafs Age: 18 | Ht: 5-11 | Wt: 161 | 2014-15 team: London (OHL) Previous ranking: Not eligible
Marner was absolutely dominant offensively in the OHL, generating grade-A scoring chances with consistency and was among the top OHL scorers for most of the season. His puck skills, vision and creativity are elite. Marner skates very well, and while he's not the biggest or bulkiest player, he works hard and his hockey IQ somewhat translates to his defense too. There is some risk on his physical progression, but he also has the potential to be an elite scorer in the NHL.

6. William Nylander, LW, Toronto Maple Leafs Age: 19 | Ht: 5-11 | Wt: 192 | 2014-15 team: Toronto (AHL) Previous ranking: 4
After a bit of a bumpy draft season, Nylander had a fantastic 18-year-old season. His production in the SHL was among the very best by a player his age in recent memory -- he was very good at the World Juniors and in the AHL. He's a dynamic puck-carrying threat with the speed, skill and vision to make very tough offensive plays. His all-around play still has to come, but teams try to get him the puck when he's on the ice because he keeps control away from the opposition.
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All Leafs prospects included are as follows.

Marner 4
Nylander 6
Kapanen 29
Bracco 39
Brown 72
Andreas Johnson 77
Scott Harrington 84
Brendan Leipsic 97 
HM Travis Dermott.
 
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