Report: Shea Weber agrees to offer sheet with PHI (Dreger on twitter)

[CarltonTheBear]

Weber's agent stated earlier that there was no NTC/NMC in the contract, but that it would be discussed after Nashville's decision came in. I can't look at it right now, but there's something in the CBA that states an offer sheet can only include the salary amd length in them, and that other aspects can be added in once the contract is finalized.

I wonder what would happen of they couldn't come to an agreement on that.

Philly obviously would have had some sort of unofficial agreement regarding that. Weber will hope that Nashville will honour that as well, but I don't see why they would. Maybe some sort of very limited clause just to keep everyone happy.

 

[Kin]

Weber's agent stated earlier that there was no NTC/NMC in the contract, but that it would be discussed after Nashville's decision came in. I can't look at it right now, but there's something in the CBA that states an offer sheet can only include the salary amd length in them, and that other aspects can be added in once the contract is finalized.

I wonder what would happen of they couldn't come to an agreement on that.

Yeah, that doesn't sound right.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

But if they can't trade him for a calendar year, $27 mil is a lot to swallow to wait and find out what you can get for him, fingers crossed it's a LOT more than four 1st round picks.  It very well could be more, but $27 mil more?  I not so sure.

Well, maybe Poile just has the intention of Weber staying there for more than the one year. It is a lot of cheese in the first year.

 

[Champ Kind]

A nice bonus for the Preds is no NTC as these are not permitted in offer sheets.

That's not entirely true. Like any other contract given to an RFA, there can't be any movement restrictions in the contract for the seasons the player would still qualify for RFA status (in this case, the one season they're not allowed to trade him), but, otherwise, they still can be part of these contracts, just like any other contract. There's absolutely nothing in the sections of the CBA relating to offer sheets or movement restriction clauses that prevent them being included in the UFA years of offer sheets.

Now, whether or not there is one in Weber's deal is unclear - though, I imagine there is in some form.

So, Poile (or more likely Preds ownership) will be wishing to the stars that the new CBA allows teams to include financial considerations in trades, which Burke has said he hopes is included.

 

[maplesyrup]

If Philly fans are disappointed, I'm happy.

 

[Kin]

Holmgren really wants Weber as a long term replacement for Pronger, & Weber doesn't want to stay in Nashville.  Nashville won't match & the Flyers will offer the Preds a solid trade for their draft picks back.  That way Nashville can save face, & get some value back for Weber.  It would be idiotic for Nashville to match unless they can keep Weber for life.....$27mill in year one guarantees that.

I, for one, will be waiting with bated breath to see just what went wrong.

 

[maplesyrup]

Breaking: Nashville goaltender out 4-6 months after hurting himself doing a cartwheel.

 

[princedpw]

If Philly fans are disappointed, I'm happy.

+1

 

[Bates]

If I were Nash management Weber would be getting nothing from me along the lines of a NTC.  He put me over a barrel and if the time comes that I want rid of him I will put him where it best suits me.

 

[Kin]

If I were Nash management Weber would be getting nothing from me along the lines of a NTC.  He put me over a barrel and if the time comes that I want rid of him I will put him where it best suits me.

I can't help but wonder, though, if that wouldn't be cutting off your nose to spite your face. If I'm Nashville I probably don't want to give him the leverage of a full NTC but a limited one, say he has to name 8 teams he'd accept a deal to, would probably be an important part of not only trading him but making sure that you can make the sort of deal you want. I know that a player without a NTC doesn't have much in the way of contractual leverage but, just from my perspective as a Leafs fan, I'd really want to know that Weber was very excited and willing to come to Toronto if the Leafs ever tried to trade for him. Nobody wants an unhappy player in their dressing room.

 

[princedpw]

If I were Nash management Weber would be getting nothing from me along the lines of a NTC.  He put me over a barrel and if the time comes that I want rid of him I will put him where it best suits me.

I can't help but wonder, though, if that wouldn't be cutting off your nose to spite your face. If I'm Nashville I probably don't want to give him the leverage of a full NTC but a limited one, say he has to name 8 teams he'd accept a deal to, would probably be an important part of not only trading him but making sure that you can make the sort of deal you want. I know that a player without a NTC doesn't have much in the way of contractual leverage but, just from my perspective as a Leafs fan, I'd really want to know that Weber was very excited and willing to come to Toronto if the Leafs ever tried to trade for him. Nobody wants an unhappy player in their dressing room.

It is a bizarre situation.  Weber doesn't have anything to give Nashville in return for them giving him a no-trade clause.  If he had wanted a no-trade clause, he should have negotiated with Nashville, not Philly.  He even could have presented Nashville with Philly's offer and said to them that he was going to sign it in order to negotiate a contract at a lower price with a no trade clause.

I guess if I were Nashville, I would tell him that I have no interest whatsoever in trading him.  If at some point in the future there is a need to trade him then I will do everything in my power to trade him to a place he wants to go if he does not make his desire for a trade public. I would try to convince him that keeping everything off the books is the best way for both him and us to get what we want in the unlikely and unfortunate circumstance that a trade does happen in the future.

 

[ZBBM]

Now would be a good time to call out all the pundits who said Nsh would never match.

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

Nobody wants an unhappy player in their dressing room.

Except Nashville, of course.

 

[OrangeBlack]

Holmgren really wants Weber as a long term replacement for Pronger, & Weber doesn't want to stay in Nashville.  Nashville won't match & the Flyers will offer the Preds a solid trade for their draft picks back.  That way Nashville can save face, & get some value back for Weber.  It would be idiotic for Nashville to match unless they can keep Weber for life.....$27mill in year one guarantees that.

I, for one, will be waiting with bated breath to see just what went wrong.

They obviously wanted too much, more than what Holmgren was willing to pay.  Good for Homer that he made the attempt.  Many thought that the Preds cared more about the business side of hockey, than they actually do.  In hindsight, they seem to have a different identify than most other small market teams.  I don't wish financial collapse on them, it's not going to bring Weber to the Flyers.....time to move on.  Hopefully, those picks aren't burning a hole in Holmgren's pocket.  Standing pat, or even a reasonable offer for Bobby Ryan may be Holmgren's next move.  Couturier & B. Schenn's upside potential make this easier to swallow.

 

[OrangeBlack]

Nobody wants an unhappy player in their dressing room.

Except Nashville, of course.

How unhappy can he be with that contract?  If his agent wanted to take Nashville completely out of the equation, they would have never signed an offer sheet,....& would have just demanded a trade.  They used the offer sheet process to get a max contract before the uncertainty of the new CBA.

 

[Rebel_1812]

LET 14 YEARS OF AWKWARD BEGIN!

Even if it's awkward, good for the Pred's, at least now if he is going to/ wants to be traded, they can get exactly what they want in the deal. I mean, he is probably one of, if not the best defenseman in the game right now and that should bring a whole bunch back in any trade.

Did Nash bring in a bunch with a trade.  If weber wants out it will be the same situation for Nashville.  They will be trading with one hand tied behind their back.

 

[Kin]

Nobody wants an unhappy player in their dressing room.

Except Nashville, of course.

Well, I guess the way I'm inclined to look at things there is that Weber must be ok with the idea of staying in Nashville if he gave them the option to match instead of playing out the year and getting to free agency.

 

[Kin]

It is a bizarre situation.  Weber doesn't have anything to give Nashville in return for them giving him a no-trade clause.  If he had wanted a no-trade clause, he should have negotiated with Nashville, not Philly.  He even could have presented Nashville with Philly's offer and said to them that he was going to sign it in order to negotiate a contract at a lower price with a no trade clause.

Well, I can't help but think that over the last two years that Weber did an absolute ton of negotiating with Nashville and that signing the deal he did with Philly was a result of frustration with his inability to get something done with Nashville.

And without knowing exactly how the NTC would be negotiated I do disagree slightly with the idea that Nashville has no incentive to give Weber a NTC. If they're serious about keeping him around then they want as good a relationship with him as possible. I assume they want him to keep the captaincy and still be active in their community and help sell the game. I think Nashville would have some reason to float some limited NTC to keep everything copacetic.

 

[lamajama]

I can't believe the agent or Weber has the balls to ask for a NTC NMC clause to be added. Apparently loyalty only works one way despite getting a $114 million guaranteed contract.

 

[bustaheims]

kausatoday: Weber says it was a very stressful week for him. Spent time in gym and out on the lake to stay away from all the coverage.

kausatoday: Weber says agent's comments about Weber wanting to play in Philadelphia was his agent's opinion. Says he loves Nashville and fans there.

kausatoday: Weber says he's comfortable with staying in Nashville for the rest of his career. His agent is trying to get a no-movement clause.

kausatoday: Weber: "We're a young team but we're very talented and we're not far away."

kausatoday: Trotz on rebuilding comment by Weber's agent: "We're not in a rebuilding mode at all. We're in a going-forward mode."

kausatoday: Trotz says if the season started today Roman Josi would be Weber's partner in Nashville.

kausatoday: Weber says the $110 million contract is "surreal" and "exciting."

kausatoday: On a conference call, Weber seems very comfortable and content to be back with the Predators.