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Sabres/Canucks deal - KAssian involved.

Sarge said:
Corn Flake said:
I don't quite see it as being that bad for the Nucks.  Kassian is an element the Nucks have been missing.  Gives them a physical player, dangerous guy who keeps the other team looking over their shoulder on every shift he is out there, etc etc. 

Overpaid? Well maybe, but they had a lot of skill up front and were in desperate need of a big physical winger who also has upside.
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That's how I see it, CF.
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Me too. Gragnani doesn't strike me as complete garbage either.
 
Erndog said:
I just hate that line of thinking.

They went to a game 7! 

When Ottawa lost to the Ducks, that series was over in 5, and they were man handled.  THAT'S when I could have seen areactionary move from the Stanley Cup runners up. The Canucks-Bruins wasn't like that at all.
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But it's not isolated. People talked about team toughness when they got knocked out by Chicago too. You may hate that line of thinking but it's something a lot of teams engage in before they win Championships(Boston last year with Kaberle or the Cardinals last year with the Rasmus deal)
 
Erndog said:
Veryyyy strange deal, and veryyyy reactionary and short term thinking from Vancouver.  I don't hate it from either teams perspective, I get what Vancouver is trying to do, but I think Buffalo certainly wins this one (for now anyways).
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I'm not sure how short sighted this is given that Kassian's 27 games into his NHL career (great longer term...), but I do think that it is an overpayment for Kassian given his experience. And if Vancouver is expecting a guy *that* young to be a factor in the playoffs...it seems a bit too optimistic.
 
As a hockey deal Buffalo wins, in terms of need it probably suits Vancouver. Not something I would have endorsed but it's not terrible, would have thought you could do better for Cody. I wonder if there's any history coming into play there.
 
Saint Nik said:
Erndog said:
I just hate that line of thinking.

They went to a game 7! 

When Ottawa lost to the Ducks, that series was over in 5, and they were man handled.  THAT'S when I could have seen areactionary move from the Stanley Cup runners up. The Canucks-Bruins wasn't like that at all.
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But it's not isolated. People talked about team toughness when they got knocked out by Chicago too. You may hate that line of thinking but it's something a lot of teams engage in before they win Championships(Boston last year with Kaberle or the Cardinals last year with the Rasmus deal)
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You can't just point out 2 championship teams.  Both those teams didn't come 'ohh so close' for a couple years before making a significant move.

Look at the Capitals.  They were president trophy winners (and game 7 losers 3 times in a row) and they were seen as being too free flowing for playoff hockey so Boudreau tried to reel them in and the thing has been a nightmare ever since.

Or the Flyers.  They always turn over half their roster every summer trying to find the right mix and several of their moves have been very questionable (Bryzgalov?).


I understand teams trying to fix holes, but the Canucks went to game 7 of the Stanley Cup finals, AND beat out their playoff nemesis (Chicago) in the same year.  However big the hole really was, was pretty damn minor.

Especially considering they already acquired Booth and Pahlsson.
 
I think Vancouver's sight is very short. As Leaf fans we're stuck in the "future" mindset. For the Canucks, their future was last year. They're tooling to win it NOW. If that means a couple of overpriced moves there's no reason to think twice about it.
 
Erndog said:
You can't just point out 2 championship teams.  Both those teams didn't come 'ohh so close' for a couple years before making a significant move.
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But that's not the point. The point is that teams who think they're very close to being championship teams often make moves that can seem shortsighted to an outside observer or someone who places no special importance on winning a championship. Your Washington and Philadelphia examples don't hold a lot of water because those are examples of teams making wholesale, fundamental changes in an attempt to entirely shift direction. This is making a move to fix a smaller issue for, hopefully, immediate success.  That it's a minor hole is the point.
 
Read the Vancouver boards at hfboards if you want a laugh. They are floored right now.
 
I mean a Hodgson and a 1st for Lucic deal I could understand, but Hodgson for Zack Kassian?

Just silly to me, they have waited so long on Hodgson, Kassian isn't that good and doesn't bring that many intangibles.
 
I think the way to look at this deal is the Canucks going all-in on the Sedin/Kesler years. If this team fails to win a cup with this core, it's not going to be because they didn't have enough offensive firepower. Sure, Hodgson is a good piece and provides the potential for them to seamlessly go from one era to the next but there's a reason his name has been kicked around in trade proposals before.
 
Omallley said:
Erndog said:
Veryyyy strange deal, and veryyyy reactionary and short term thinking from Vancouver.  I don't hate it from either teams perspective, I get what Vancouver is trying to do, but I think Buffalo certainly wins this one (for now anyways).
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I'm not sure how short sighted this is given that Kassian's 27 games into his NHL career (great longer term...), but I do think that it is an overpayment for Kassian given his experience. And if Vancouver is expecting a guy *that* young to be a factor in the playoffs...it seems a bit too optimistic.
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This is what I think.  Is Kassian going to make that much of an impact this playoffs or next?  Their championship window won't be open forever, and I think Hodgson is easily the best player.

Plus, I don't even think Vancouver is even lacking in grit.
 
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