sens @ Leafs - Apr. 5th, 7:30pm - CityTV, Fan 590

[GhostofPotvin29]

Good point.

 

[Deebo]

Eugene Melnyk should launch a forensic investigation.

 

[Peter D.]

Well that puts an end to that.  Heck, even Jeff Marek this morning on the radio thought it went in.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Eugene Melnyk should launch a forensic investigation.

Here's the best part:

[tweet]585461858162896896[/tweet]

An hour!

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Eugene Melnyk should launch a forensic investigation.

I could actually see him requesting the mesh from the net to inspect it for holes.

 

[lamajama]

Well if they choose 4th vs 5 or 6 they might draft *that* player that might have been drafted at 4th by another team, or they might be able to drop from 4th to down a few picks with a trade, pick up a bonus 2nd rounder and they might still get the player they deem to be the one they wanted.

I'm sure you think you're being clever here but you're just making my point for me. You're not even cheering for anything concrete. You're not encouraging them towards a goal or even wanting them to do a specific thing. You're getting mad at the team for winning games for no real, solid reason. You don't know anyone would be willing to trade up, you don't know what they would be willing to pay for it. You're pulling your hair out for nothing and certainly not anything that you can control. Are you going to do this for the next few years as they rebuild? Boo every goal? Get mad when they try hard and win exciting games?

Trying to be clever? You're the one who posted all the "mights". My "mights" are just as valid as yours and yes, it's all a who-knows set of circumstances - both mine and yours.

I am cheering for something concrete. The 4th pick overall is what I'm cheering for. If they were locked in at that and started winning, I'm happy. I'm a bit perplexed at why, when there is no tangible benefits - player development included - that a fan wouldn't want the team to have to best options available to them in the draft.

We're ultimately cheering for the same thing - to have the Leafs as an actual contender to win the Cup. Not 8th place and fluke a round perhaps.

We just differ on how to cheer for that result and I have just as much right to be teed off at them for potentially screwing this up as you do for your preference.

 

[pmrules]

Eugene Melnyk should launch a forensic investigation.

Here's the best part:

[tweet]585461858162896896[/tweet]

An hour!

Well for the Senators, every point counts, so I think an hour can be justified.  I'm sure Sens fans did the same.

However, judging by the rules, if a video review has proved to be inconclusive, then the call on the ice should stand, shouldn't it?  Judging by all the video review/controversy and that no one has proof that it went in, It's no goal - simple.

It'd be a different story/context if there was conclusive evidence.

I would actually be more than happy if they took a point AWAY from the Leafs! ;D

 

[TML fan]

If they haven't found proof by now that it went it, it probably didn't.

 

[L K]

The puck doesn't even slow down on a frame by frame view so I really don't understand the argument that the puck blew through a hole in the net.  It would have had to have been a heck of a hole to not touch the puck but also not be remotely visible on the ice.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Eugene Melnyk should launch a forensic investigation.

Here's the best part:

[tweet]585461858162896896[/tweet]

An hour!

Well for the Senators, every point counts, so I think an hour can be justified.  I'm sure Sens fans did the same.

No I'm laughing at anyone on earth spending an hour on something that you can figure out in 2 minutes.

 

[TML fan]

Eugene Melnyk should launch a forensic investigation.

Here's the best part:

[tweet]585461858162896896[/tweet]

An hour!

Well for the Senators, every point counts, so I think an hour can be justified.  I'm sure Sens fans did the same.

No I'm laughing at anyone on earth spending an hour on something that you can figure out in 2 minutes.

In fairness to Methot, I'd imagine it takes longer to find evidence of something that didn't happen.

 

[Tigger]

Brings back the Leclair goal against Hasek, though a non goal called a goal.

 

[L K]

Eugene Melnyk should launch a forensic investigation.

Here's the best part:

[tweet]585461858162896896[/tweet]

An hour!

Well for the Senators, every point counts, so I think an hour can be justified.  I'm sure Sens fans did the same.

No I'm laughing at anyone on earth spending an hour on something that you can figure out in 2 minutes.

Look, I found a camera angle that actually  shows you the puck.  It took all of one view to see it blatantly miss the net.  I think we better investigate the Leafs for tampering with air particles to prevent the puck from going in the net.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/definitive-marc-methot-ot-shot-angle/

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Eugene Melnyk should launch a forensic investigation.

Here's the best part:

[tweet]585461858162896896[/tweet]

An hour!

Well for the Senators, every point counts, so I think an hour can be justified.  I'm sure Sens fans did the same.

No I'm laughing at anyone on earth spending an hour on something that you can figure out in 2 minutes.

Look, I found a camera angle that actually  shows you the puck.  It took all of one view to see it blatantly miss the net.  I think we better investigate the Leafs for tampering with air particles to prevent the puck from going in the net.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/definitive-marc-methot-ot-shot-angle/

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vxq9yj2pVWk[/youtube]

 

[Kin]

Trying to be clever? You're the one who posted all the "mights". My "mights" are just as valid as yours and yes, it's all a who-knows set of circumstances - both mine and yours.

Which is exactly my point. Neither of us know where it's best for the Leafs to finish. It might be 4th, it might be 5th. Neither of us know which prospect is the best to take or where the best place would be to take that player. So there's nothing about what you want the Leafs to do that will in any way guarantee a better outcome for them. It's not even that likely what you're talking about will make a significant difference. You're getting angry about percentage points towards a vague goal, not something tangible.

We just differ on how to cheer for that result and I have just as much right to be teed off at them for potentially screwing this up as you do for your preference.

The people you're getting mad at are people who are doing what they're supposed to do. They're trying to win hockey games. They're playing their best. That's what they're contractually obligated to do and what any reasonable person should expect them to do. They have their own interests and that involves playing hard and trying to win.

So you have a "right" to do it I suppose but it's not a position that is reasonable, rational or actually connected to the Leafs improving as a hockey club.

 

[lamajama]

Well Nik, I don't know how to do the cut away parts of the comment so I'll just try and go ahead....

You're right no one knows where it's "best" to finish or the best prospect to take. If they take a player that turns into a bonafide superstar of the draft with a "20th" pick overall maybe that's where they should finish...but really cheering for them to finish 4th vs 5 or 6 IS a better option. I don't know how you can say that what I want isn't something tangible when what you want isn't tangible either. Leaving alone who they take, is it not better to have a 4th and work from there then have the 5th - purely from an "options" point of view?

Of course I know the players are trying. In truth though if you say that 81, 42 and 21 are giving 100% I think we're all fooling ourselves.

What I desire is some good fortune for this team. That's it. We've had none. The Leaf management over the past decades has been atrocious (other than those brief time periods mentioned in earlier posts). Like I said before I'm hoping for a Leaf-proof path here. And to your point it may come with Nashville's pick or even a 3rd or 5th round pick. That would take good fortune.  The Wings got it with Pavel and Henrik. It was good fortune only otherwise they would have drafted them much earlier.

I simply do not and will not agree that my position is not reasonable or rational and connected to them improving.

 

[Kin]

You're right no one knows where it's "best" to finish or the best prospect to take. If they take a player that turns into a bonafide superstar of the draft with a "20th" pick overall maybe that's where they should finish...but really cheering for them to finish 4th vs 5 or 6 IS a better option. I don't know how you can say that what I want isn't something tangible when what you want isn't tangible either. Leaving alone who they take, is it not better to have a 4th and work from there then have the 5th - purely from an "options" point of view?

What is it that you think I want that isn't tangible? Ultimately, I want the Leafs to win. I know that the higher the draft pick they have the better and, as a result, I'd like them to win the Lottery. I know the odds of that depending on where they finish.

The difference is I'm capable of doing that without booing every time they score a goal like I was a sens fan. I'm capable of taking some small pleasure in the team play spoiler a little with Ottawa precisely because I know that the Leafs rebuild is not going to depend on where they draft in any one year. I'm realistic enough to know that these players are going to try to win and that no team, no matter how bad or how designed they are to finish poorly, will lose every game.

Of course I know the players are trying.

So then what are you booing? Who are you mad at? What do you want anyone to actually do differently?

What I desire is some good fortune for this team. That's it. We've had none. The Leaf management over the past decades has been atrocious (other than those brief time periods mentioned in earlier posts). Like I said before I'm hoping for a Leaf-proof path here. And to your point it may come with Nashville's pick or even a 3rd or 5th round pick. That would take good fortune.  The Wings got it with Pavel and Henrik. It was good fortune only otherwise they would have drafted them much earlier.

The Leafs have had good fortune. Why does the Red Wings drafting Datsyuk and Zetterberg late count as good fortune but the Leafs drafting Kaberle equally late not count as good luck? The Leafs have found good players in the 6th and 7th rounds recently. As good luck? No. But let's not overstate it.

And again, this is where I return to what you're actually wanting anyone to do differently? What are you mad at? The universe? Whatever divine system of rewards you think apportions "luck"? Does that genuinely strike you as reasonable? Rational?

 

[lamajama]

This is the last time I'll comment as among other things, you continue to believe that your hopes are tangible whereas mine are not. The only reason I said that was because you said mine was not. I was trying to illustrate that you don't have the only claim to wanting what is "best for the team".

Kabs yes was good fortune. That's a good point.  Not to the level of Pavel or Henrik but yes I would call that good fortune. Unfortunately it's about the only one. They may be a few coming as you say but none have the consensus or appreciation of the scouting world as evidenced by the Leafs Prospect rankings.

Anyway enjoy the rest of the season. 

 

[Kin]

This is the last time I'll comment as among other things, you continue to believe that your hopes are tangible whereas mine are not. The only reason I said that was because you said mine was not. I was trying to illustrate that you don't have the only claim to wanting what is "best for the team".

It's not about what my hopes are(because you still haven't said what you think they are) or about wanting what's best for the team. It's about being realistic about those hopes and how they're expressed. I can want the Leafs to draft as high as possible without getting mad at the fact that the Leafs didn't finish the season losing every game 8-0 and constantly re-stating the fact that I want them to lose.

 

[dappleganger]

Just watched the Pens-Sens game. Can't say I'm happy but it was a good finish.