Guilt Trip
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No kidding. Some like to overreact....it's actually pretty comical.Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
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azzurri63
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It seems that whenever an opposing player is in a slump, a team is in a slump or a player who hasn't scored yet when teams play the Leafs things change. It's what I hate about this team in recent years and that is we are easy to play against. Players go to the hard areas, take liberties on our players etc etc because they know they have nothing to fear. D is soft, a lot of the forwards are and personally I think that is a problem. Got to try and change that from managements perspective.
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
Look, we've seen this play out before, many times. Pogge, Gustavson, Reimer, Sparks...and the list goes on. Sure other teams get good goalies that come up from the minors and do amazing this. I get how Leafs fans think it's possible, but this is the Leafs though. That doesn't happen for this team. Why would it?
Can you tell me that you looked at his game tonight and think that Woll is destined to become a top 15 goalie in the League? If we can all jump on the bandwagon after 2 good games, why and I not able to remove the screws from the wheels on said bandwagon after three really bad games?
Peter D.
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Woll looks so technically good at times, and you see the promise. Then he looks like tonight where he let's a few squeaky ones in and is caught out of the position more than he should be.
I think he can be a good one for the Leafs. Wish it was just sustained a bit more where he has a clunker every four or five games, as opposed to flip-flopping between good and bad games.
I think he can be a good one for the Leafs. Wish it was just sustained a bit more where he has a clunker every four or five games, as opposed to flip-flopping between good and bad games.
Zee
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Guilt Trip said:
Yeah I don't get this. Woll is literally the least of the issues, one bad game I'm not worried about. The bigger issue is an unplayable 4th line, all the forwards that were brought in can't defend and the big defense signing of the summer can't play in his own end
Guilt Trip
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Well I'd argue that. He's had a few off games so far.Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
They're missing Holl on the PK and having McCabe and Liljegren out is def hurting them.Peter D. said:
Guilt Trip
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Woll overall has been good to very good.Zee said:
azzurri63
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I'm not concerned with Woll. He's still learning getting his feet wet but watching him his calmness he'll be fine. Samsonov forget it. Again there's a reason why Caps let him go. We have some injuries on the backend so this sh*t is going to happen until we get guys back or better yet a trade to bring somebody in because even with our full lineup the D sucks.
Guilt Trip
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Where did I say they didn't have flaws? They do but the overreactions after goals/losses by some here is funny as hell. Trade everyone, team's embarrassing, failed prospect, etc., etc.Significantly Insignificant said:
Guilt Trip
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Reaves was a swing and a miss for sure. Just not adding anything out there. Something's got to give sooner or later.Zee said:
Guilt Trip
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Wasting your time ZBBM...Woll's a failure...all over for him. Team sucks too.Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
Zee
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Significantly Insignificant said:
What a ridiculous list you've given. The only guy on that list that started out as good as Woll was Reimer, who's actually still in the league by the way.
Pogge played 7 games and was bad from the start.
Sparks aside from his debut shutout was horrible.
Gustavsson peaked in preseason.
Woll has played 19 games in the league and has a .919 right now. He's technically sound, is calm in the net and has shown the ability to make big saves when needed. Calling him a failed prospect is just flat out dumb
azzurri63
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Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
Guilt Trip said:
Guilt Trip we don't see eye to eye that's fine. My take on this team and I don't care what they bring to fill out this roster is they aint going to win with this core. I've said it a thousand times. Fine they gave it a few years but when do the come to the realization that this team isn't going anywhere with this core. That's what frustrates me and why I bitch and complain about this team. Because what I see is nothings changed. You think otherwise. We win one round and management thinks it's all hunky dory. They were lucky to win that series. Talent is one thing. Heart is another. The makeup is what needs to change. There are teams with less talent than us that play hard everyday and compete hard we don't. The injuries don't help but we've played 13 games, barely above .500 have given up a whack of goals and realistically have played well in maybe 4 games. The record could be easily worse. We have regressed plain and simple in my mind.
Guilt Trip said:
Well I'm glad you are the type of person who laughs when other people are upset.
Tell you what I am going to do. I'm going to cancel my monthly Patreon payment to this site, and just stop coming by. That way you don't have to read my "comical" and "funny as hell" rants about the Leafs when they suffer a loss, and I don't have to be taken to task and talked down too by some elitist positive thinker just because I have a negative emotional reaction to the way the Leafs play.
I wish you all the best.
azzurri63
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Significantly Insignificant said:
Don't cave into them SI. We all have our opinions and there are always going to be indifferences. There are probably some running this shit show that think there is nothing wrong. All of management should have been shown the door after last season. They had ample time to try and build a winning team and all we keep doing is spinning wheels. Rinse and repeat is what I've been saying. Stay put that's why it's a forum so we all can post what we feel.
L K
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That was a really bad game from Woll. But despite his high GAA he's 3rd in the lead in goals saved above expected at 7.4
The reality is this teams defense has regressed significantly.
Domi was a bad defensive player when we signed him. That's to be expected. I didn't expect Bertuzzi to be this useless. He had a decent game yesterday offensively but he's not good defensively and coupling that with Nylander/Tavares who have consistently been a problem at 5on5 is just bizarre to me to have them paired up. It's playing the salary instead of the lineup.
The 4th line is completely unusable. Kampf is significantly overpaid for what he brings. Reaves is significantly overpaid for what he brings in both salary and years. (Let's not forget that Reaves is a 35+ contract too!). Reaves out on the ice trying to start a fight in the final few seconds was embarrassing. You do nothing all game. He's beyond useless. Waive him yesterday.
I still kind of like Gregor but we are talking about a 12th/13th forward playing with two anchors so anything that he can actually do is completely wasted.
The defensemen are also a mess. McCabe will help a bit when he comes back although he's now missed 6 games (almost 7) and counting so who knows when he will actually dress.
Liljegren is gone for months and high ankle sprains are notorious for having players not feel right for a long time.
Lagesson's been ok but I think we see stretches of why he only has 66 NHL games at 27. I like him as a 7th defenseman.
Timmins is working toward coming back but that's just taking Benoit/Lagesson out of the lineup when he returns.
Klingberg is unplayable right now. He's not just bad defensively, he's making other players worse. I can't remember seeing a defenseman be out of position as much as him in the last few years.
Gio is 40. We can't change that. He still has really good games and then has games like last night where he isn't as good. He keeps getting overrelied on because we have no other depth/options. At 40 we are asking him to be our 2nd/3rd best defenseman.
I don't know where we go with this team. Yes, last year they had a slow start too. In October last year the core 4 had 13 combined goals in 40 combined games. This year they had 20 in a combined 36. So we are having a mediocre start with our big guns firing. The core four have 30 goals on the season now and that would have them 26th in NHL team scoring.
The reality is this teams defense has regressed significantly.
Domi was a bad defensive player when we signed him. That's to be expected. I didn't expect Bertuzzi to be this useless. He had a decent game yesterday offensively but he's not good defensively and coupling that with Nylander/Tavares who have consistently been a problem at 5on5 is just bizarre to me to have them paired up. It's playing the salary instead of the lineup.
The 4th line is completely unusable. Kampf is significantly overpaid for what he brings. Reaves is significantly overpaid for what he brings in both salary and years. (Let's not forget that Reaves is a 35+ contract too!). Reaves out on the ice trying to start a fight in the final few seconds was embarrassing. You do nothing all game. He's beyond useless. Waive him yesterday.
I still kind of like Gregor but we are talking about a 12th/13th forward playing with two anchors so anything that he can actually do is completely wasted.
The defensemen are also a mess. McCabe will help a bit when he comes back although he's now missed 6 games (almost 7) and counting so who knows when he will actually dress.
Liljegren is gone for months and high ankle sprains are notorious for having players not feel right for a long time.
Lagesson's been ok but I think we see stretches of why he only has 66 NHL games at 27. I like him as a 7th defenseman.
Timmins is working toward coming back but that's just taking Benoit/Lagesson out of the lineup when he returns.
Klingberg is unplayable right now. He's not just bad defensively, he's making other players worse. I can't remember seeing a defenseman be out of position as much as him in the last few years.
Gio is 40. We can't change that. He still has really good games and then has games like last night where he isn't as good. He keeps getting overrelied on because we have no other depth/options. At 40 we are asking him to be our 2nd/3rd best defenseman.
I don't know where we go with this team. Yes, last year they had a slow start too. In October last year the core 4 had 13 combined goals in 40 combined games. This year they had 20 in a combined 36. So we are having a mediocre start with our big guns firing. The core four have 30 goals on the season now and that would have them 26th in NHL team scoring.