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Soshnikov traded to the Blues

Umm, I don't like this at all.

I wish they waived or traded Komarov.

Babcock throwing around his weight, with the front office. IMO.
 
herman said:
This the opposite of how I feel about this.
I am less than thrilled, I think Leivo should have gone but perhaps the Leaf minds have other plans for him. I liked AK-47 but he is no longer our rifle of choice. Good luck in St.Louis, stay healthy and have a great career.  Score a few against us for revenge, it is dish best served up cold.
 
I always like Sosh, he seemed to never be the same after his concussion. Before it he would bang and have the skill element. After, well too many guys passed him on the depth chart. Patient zero of what I'm predicting as years of useful to good guys going out the door for lack of roster space and cap cheese. It's the right thing to do, keep drafting and developing to re-stock your superstar core for hopefully a decade of Cup contention.
 
Unfortunately Sosh got caught up in the numbers game. Probably the first of a few tough decisions the team will need to make on young talented players in order to build a Cup contender. Best of luck in St. Louis!
 
So did they choose to keep Leivo over Sosh, or was the market for Sosh better? I don't think he's looked very good in the NHL since his injury (and he does seem to be injury prone) so to me, not a big loss...someone had to go. But the Leivo situation is mystifying to me.
 
Chris said:
So did they choose to keep Leivo over Sosh, or was the market for Sosh better? I don't think he's looked very good in the NHL since his injury (and he does seem to be injury prone) so to me, not a big loss...someone had to go. But the Leivo situation is mystifying to me.
I think people here are over valuing Sosh. This guy can't even make our team and we didn't get enough for him? I liked him but agree, he wasn't the same after his injury. He's missed about 20 games a year also. We were stuck at 50 contracts, moving a non roster player and his contract for any decent return is good. Good luck to him in St Louis. I personally would've put Martin on waivers but that's me..
As for Leivo, who knows what's going to happen there. Wouldn't be surprised to see him traded or in the line up soon.
 
I have two thoughts regarding Leivo vs. Sosh

1. Sosh is often injured and I think that sours management on him vs. Leivo
2.  I don?t think Leivo would fetch you more but I doubt he?d go unclaimed.

And a final thought:
Andreas Johnson is probably going to replace Komarov next year.

For those reasons I?m not terribly upset.
 
Guilt Trip said:
This guy can't even make our team and we didn't get enough for him?

There's a difference between "can't make the team" and "didn't make the team". A few weaks ago Kapanen "couldn't" make the team over Martin.
 
Bad asset management when guys like Leivo (who Babcock clearly doesn?t want to use), Moore and Martin are kept over Soshnikov when the return is pretty middling.  I didn?t like the draft this year so hopefully this isn?t more of that trend.

Between that and bringing Polak back and playing him over Carrick and Borgman I?m not liking this trend away from Dubas style organization.
 
I've always been a fan of Sosh. I really like the style of game he plays and I'm sad to see him go.

That being said I can understand why the organization chose to move on from him. He's 24 years old, so there's probably not a lot of growth left in his game. His concussion issues also made him miss quite a few games. Getting a pick for him is better than losing him (or another asset) for nothing. Obviously I'd have preferred a higher pick but I'm sure Lou got what he could.
 
I think this is the usual Leafs fans over-reaction to moving a complimentary part. I don't think he'll be a loss - there's plenty of other options. Probably would have liked a bit more than a 4th rounder but obviously the organisation was probably dealing from a position of weakness on several fronts.

Outside of the obvious few players I'd say anything on the roster should be available for trade anyway but in that case we're probably dealing from a position of strength as we don't HAVE to move someone in that case.
 
Arn said:
I think this is the usual Leafs fans over-reaction to moving a complimentary part. I don't think he'll be a loss - there's plenty of other options. Probably would have liked a bit more than a 4th rounder but obviously the organisation was probably dealing from a position of weakness on several fronts.

Outside of the obvious few players I'd say anything on the roster should be available for trade anyway but in that case we're probably dealing from a position of strength as we don't HAVE to move someone in that case.

Exactly.  We're talking about a player who is 24, played 70 NHL games and has 14 points.  Would love to have seen him play more or get more via trade but this isn't the end of the world.  Even if he explodes to be a quality NHL'er he just didn't fit with the Leafs at this point.
 
disco said:
I always like Sosh, he seemed to never be the same after his concussion. Before it he would bang and have the skill element.

I don't know how you can say that confidently, he only played 3 NHL games after his concussion (where he was credited with 5 total hits) and nothing about his AHL play suggests that he was playing timidly.
 
I'm going to hate that they keep doing this, but the Leafs aren't gifting fringe players rosters spots (last year notwithstanding, when they went with something special). The vets that I don't particularly like on the team are here specifically as hurdles; here the list of bodies that washed up against it and couldn't make the jump:

Holland, Leivo, Griffith  :( , Soshnikov, Corrado, Marincin, Marchenko, Gauthier

Martin is the main hurdle that has fallen, and they're still waiting for someone to take it from Polak and Bozak and Moore.

The benefit to the coaching staff is two fold. They only have so much bandwidth to handle sheltering and matchups, hence the overwhelming love for Hyman, Brown, Komarov, and the subtle, but very obvious brow furrowing at Bozak and JvR -- vets who were supposed to know what they're doing but for whatever reason can't. So just blowing open roster holes for the sake of asset management means more of their focus would be on sheltering too many prospects. Last season, they sheltered Matthews and Bozak's lines until Matthews started to pull away and excel with a heavier load. Kapanen was injected into the lineup, and away they went.

While I would've preferred having the higher potential options getting time on the lineup, but I can't really argue with results here. The second benefit is when a prospect makes the jump for real, it's really real. Their extended development time shows; they've been tuned for filling gaps in the Leaf's roster (see Kapanen learning PK); they're really invested in proving themselves night in and night out; they already know the System from their time with the Marlies.
 
And from an asset management perspective, the Leafs netted a 4th-rder for an undrafted KHL signing.
 
Can8899 said:
Arn said:
I think this is the usual Leafs fans over-reaction to moving a complimentary part. I don't think he'll be a loss - there's plenty of other options. Probably would have liked a bit more than a 4th rounder but obviously the organisation was probably dealing from a position of weakness on several fronts.

Outside of the obvious few players I'd say anything on the roster should be available for trade anyway but in that case we're probably dealing from a position of strength as we don't HAVE to move someone in that case.

Exactly.  We're talking about a player who is 24, played 70 NHL games and has 14 points.  Would love to have seen him play more or get more via trade but this isn't the end of the world.  Even if he explodes to be a quality NHL'er he just didn't fit with the Leafs at this point.

The claim that he "didn't fit" ignores that he should have been higher on the depth chart than Martin, Moore, Komarov and possibly Leivo.

The fact that he has so little NHL experience is in great part because Babcock/Lou chose to play below average veteran plugs instead of giving him a real opportunity.

No is saying that this will decimate the team. It's just poor asset management, given the team's current fourth line options and healthy scratches.
 
Strangelove said:
The claim that he "didn't fit" ignores that he should have been higher on the depth chart than Martin, Moore, Komarov and possibly Leivo.

The fact that he has so little NHL experience is in great part because Babcock/Lou chose to play below average veteran plugs instead of giving him a real opportunity.

No is saying that this will decimate the team. It's just poor asset management, given the team's current fourth line options and healthy scratches.

Sosh had a very real opportunity; he just kept getting hurt. He's healthier now, so I hope he makes a really good run of it with St. Louis.
 

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