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Stars @ Leafs - Nov. 2nd, 7:30pm - SNO, Fan 590

herman said:
This wouldn't happen if Kadri shaved his facial hair before the game. Plus, he'd skate faster with less air resistance and score way more goals.

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Any word on supplemental discipline for this?

I assume it's filed in the same drawer as Ovechkin's hit on Komarov last year at the NHL head office, titled "Star Player Exemption".
 
Patrick said:
Any word on supplemental discipline for this?

I assume it's filed in the same drawer as Ovechkin's hit on Komarov last year at the NHL head office, titled "Star Player Exemption".

Honestly, I'd be surprised if any player received supplemental discipline for that. It should have been a penalty in-game, but it wasn't a forceful enough act to warrant anything more than that. Similar plays by a wide range of players go undisciplined all season long.
 
bustaheims said:
Honestly, I'd be surprised if any player received supplemental discipline for that. It should have been a penalty in-game, but it wasn't a forceful enough act to warrant anything more than that. Similar plays by a wide range of players go undisciplined all season long.

It should be an automatic 1-game suspension. Probably the dirtiest thing a player can do. But yeah, the NHL has been turning a blind eye to that stuff for a long time now so I doubt they start with the reigning Art Ross champ.
 
Something I was wondering - is there a set of guidelines/rules for the coaches challenge?  Like say for instance the disallowed goal for offside last night.  Hypothetically, had Boyes not scored it and it went back the other way and Dallas scored - could the Leafs have challenged that the initial rush should have been offside?
 
Potvin29 said:
Something I was wondering - is there a set of guidelines/rules for the coaches challenge?  Like say for instance the disallowed goal for offside last night.  Hypothetically, had Boyes not scored it and it went back the other way and Dallas scored - could the Leafs have challenged that the initial rush should have been offside?

There are guidelines, yeah. I don't what they are in every situation, but in this specific one, had the puck exited the zone, it would no longer have been reviewable. So, no, in your hypothetical situation, the Leafs would not have been able to challenge.
 
Potvin29 said:
Something I was wondering - is there a set of guidelines/rules for the coaches challenge?  Like say for instance the disallowed goal for offside last night.  Hypothetically, had Boyes not scored it and it went back the other way and Dallas scored - could the Leafs have challenged that the initial rush should have been offside?

I'm going to guess no. For the offside rule the play has to have remained in Dallas' end for them to be able to challenge the call. So once the puck left their zone the opportunity to challenge would be over, meaning the Leafs wouldn't have been able to use it on a goal against them.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Potvin29 said:
Something I was wondering - is there a set of guidelines/rules for the coaches challenge?  Like say for instance the disallowed goal for offside last night.  Hypothetically, had Boyes not scored it and it went back the other way and Dallas scored - could the Leafs have challenged that the initial rush should have been offside?

I'm going to guess no. For the offside rule the play has to have remained in Dallas' end for them to be able to challenge the call. So once the puck left their zone the opportunity to challenge would be over, meaning the Leafs wouldn't have been able to use it on a goal against them.

Yep.  It doesn't matter how long after the initial offside.  If a team had a 5-minute possession and ended up scoring, the goal could be reversed and the game goes back 5-minutes in play.    Once the puck leaves the zone, the offside play is invalidated and is not reviewable.
 
So what happens if the puck doesn't leave the zone and Clune was on the ice and gets a match penalty for some ridiculous hit to the head from behind.  Can we say it never happened because the play was offside? ;D

Or lets tone it down a bit and say a leaf gets a tripping penalty during this timeframe.
 
A much better game, a much better effort.  Yes, Reimer, but it was an overall team effort that produced results.  The stats weren't too shoddy either, as the Stars incurred 10 PIM compared to the Leafs 4; faceoffs won 43-39 in favour of the Leafs; blocked shots in favour of the Leafs (16 to 7), etc.


Source:  NHL.com
 
agreed with  Hockfan, they put out the effort last night and Reimer looked like he was tracking the pucks well, which is part of the new training system, perhaps its starting to sink in.
 
hockeyfan1 said:
A much better game, a much better effort.  Yes, Reimer, but it was an overall team effort that produced results.  The stats weren't too shoddy either, as the Stars incurred 10 PIM compared to the Leafs 4; faceoffs won 43-39 in favour of the Leafs; blocked shots in favour of the Leafs (16 to 7), etc.


Source:  NHL.com

Surface level fluff, score aside they had a pretty abysmal outing, how much of it was score effects, I'm not sure.
 
Patrick said:
hockeyfan1 said:
A much better game, a much better effort.  Yes, Reimer, but it was an overall team effort that produced results.  The stats weren't too shoddy either, as the Stars incurred 10 PIM compared to the Leafs 4; faceoffs won 43-39 in favour of the Leafs; blocked shots in favour of the Leafs (16 to 7), etc.


Source:  NHL.com

Surface level fluff, score aside they had a pretty abysmal outing, how much of it was score effects, I'm not sure.

Yeah, well, they still won the game abysmal level or no abysmal level.  I wouldn't expect to see these results on a consistent basis, but I'll take the and revel it's glory.  Afterall, don't expect a 'feel good' result too often this season for we all know how bad this team already is.

They won and that's it. Enjoy it!
 
hockeyfan1 said:
Patrick said:
hockeyfan1 said:
A much better game, a much better effort.  Yes, Reimer, but it was an overall team effort that produced results.  The stats weren't too shoddy either, as the Stars incurred 10 PIM compared to the Leafs 4; faceoffs won 43-39 in favour of the Leafs; blocked shots in favour of the Leafs (16 to 7), etc.


Source:  NHL.com

Surface level fluff, score aside they had a pretty abysmal outing, how much of it was score effects, I'm not sure.

Yeah, well, they still won the game abysmal level or no abysmal level.  I wouldn't expect to see these results on a consistent basis, but I'll take the and revel it's glory.  Afterall, don't expect a 'feel good' result too often this season for we all know how bad this team already is.

They won and that's it. Enjoy it!

I'm not disputing any of that and I did enjoy it, I'm disputing the recap of the game you posted that doesn't come close to telling the story of the game.
 
Despite the possession stats, I don't think they Carlyled the game; it was more like they were overmatched talent-widely a team on the rise. The breaks happened to go our way and Reimer played above average.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Potvin29 said:
Something I was wondering - is there a set of guidelines/rules for the coaches challenge?  Like say for instance the disallowed goal for offside last night.  Hypothetically, had Boyes not scored it and it went back the other way and Dallas scored - could the Leafs have challenged that the initial rush should have been offside?

I'm going to guess no. For the offside rule the play has to have remained in Dallas' end for them to be able to challenge the call. So once the puck left their zone the opportunity to challenge would be over, meaning the Leafs wouldn't have been able to use it on a goal against them.

I figured, but it just made me think because if it stayed in the end and Toronto scored as LK said, 5-minutes later - at what point has enough time passed that you can't go back on the offside that was missed?  I was just thinking if it's offside and called then it doesn't go back the other way in the same manner and if there was no restrictions on it, where is the line. WHERRRRRE!!
 

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