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Steve Stamkos?

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Nik the Trik said:
sneakyray said:
there is no way that he would make the same in endorsements playing in buffalo rather than toronto.
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That's probably true but the primary variable in endorsement dollars isn't the market. It's his individual success followed by the team's success.

Either way, you're probably not talking about a difference that matches the tax difference.
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I'm inclined to believe that Stamkos would benefit from more endorsement $$ in Toronto vs. other less hockey crazy markets...but I can't believe no one here is talking about that substantial tax difference.  Holy Cow!

That's a lot of money...$5m on $10m in Florida, but only $3.8m on $10m in Toronto...it's $1.2m per year difference take home after tax.  That's $8.4m in real money in his pocket over a 7 year deal.
 
cabber24 said:
SIMMONS TWEET

SOURCES: Maple Leafs met with Steven Stamkos at MLSE headquarters Tuesday. Also present: Toronto Mayor John Tory and CEO of Canadian Tire.
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I'm pretty sure he will get the Canadian Tire contract regardless of where he signs, otherwise, the Leafs could be in trouble for cap circumvention.
 
cabber24 said:
SIMMONS TWEET

SOURCES: Maple Leafs met with Steven Stamkos at MLSE headquarters Tuesday. Also present: Toronto Mayor John Tory and CEO of Canadian Tire.
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Uh, Steve, you neighbour's brother-in-law's cousin's boss' wife's hairdresser is not a reliable source.
 
we are talking about taxes in a way...we're talking about whether or not he can make up the difference in endorsements in toronto as opposed to tampa.
 
Frank E said:
I'm inclined to believe that Stamkos would benefit from more endorsement $$ in Toronto vs. other less hockey crazy markets...but I can't believe no one here is talking about that substantial tax difference.  Holy Cow!
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McGarnagle said:
I would doubt any local endorsements would even override just the tax savings from playing in florida.
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McGarnagle said:
My sources say Trump was there as well.
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I applaud the effort if it's true, Canadian Tire guy and the Mayor. They should of got his girl friend (from Toronto) to make a surprise appearance at the Leafs pitch.
 
bustaheims said:
cabber24 said:
SIMMONS TWEET

SOURCES: Maple Leafs met with Steven Stamkos at MLSE headquarters Tuesday. Also present: Toronto Mayor John Tory and CEO of Canadian Tire.
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Uh, Steve, you neighbour's brother-in-law's cousin's boss' wife's hairdresser is not a reliable source.
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They are missing a great opportunity if they didn't bring Lasik MD to the pitch.  Picture this Steven.  "I can Seen Stamkos"
 
WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:
Regarding the tax issue...

http://theleafsnation.com/2016/6/28/why-the-stamkos-tax-may-actually-be-in-toronto-s-favour
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OMG July 1st can't come soon enough! This thread is absolutely ridiculous.

I am going to the Jays game on July 2, I expect him to be throwing the first pitch in a Leafs sweater.
 
Frank E said:
Nik the Trik said:
sneakyray said:
there is no way that he would make the same in endorsements playing in buffalo rather than toronto.
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That's probably true but the primary variable in endorsement dollars isn't the market. It's his individual success followed by the team's success.

Either way, you're probably not talking about a difference that matches the tax difference.
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I'm inclined to believe that Stamkos would benefit from more endorsement $$ in Toronto vs. other less hockey crazy markets...but I can't believe no one here is talking about that substantial tax difference.  Holy Cow!

That's a lot of money...$5m on $10m in Florida, but only $3.8m on $10m in Toronto...it's $1.2m per year difference take home after tax.  That's $8.4m in real money in his pocket over a 7 year deal.
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We were talking about exactly that upthread.  Busta and Nik are holding fast to their positions.
 
bustaheims said:
RedLeaf said:
the question on endorsements....

Stamkos might generate between $300,000 and $600,000 per endorsement deal, several marketing executives told TSN. Only Pittsburgh Penguins star Sidney Crosby can typically command more. Crosby, who has partnerships with the likes of Gatorade, Tim Hortons and Verizon, generates as much as $4.5 million annually from his off-ice deals, Forbes magazine estimates.
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What they neglect to mention (or was omitted from the article) is that there's only a small number of companies with that kind of budget who would be interested in any hockey player for endorsements - and a number of those companies already have agreements with the player of their choice (mostly Crosby). Those dollar figures are representative of what he could get from major national brands - and, two of the biggest national brands can't touch him without there being potential cap circumvention issues.
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You can support this claim how?
 
RedLeaf said:
You can support this claim how?
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Almost a decade working in the industry combined with the lack of athlete endorsement campaigns among major national brands for non-sport related goods and services.
 
herman said:
herman said:
Bolded years are Cup wins.
Significant UFA signings I can think of from these teams in these years: Zdeno Chara, Marian Hossa, Brian Rafalski (sort of)
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Nik the Trik said:
Yeah, this is something we've talked about before but Hossa was unquestionably the most successful UFA contract of the post-lockout era but that's chiefly because of two things, the conditions he signed under were ideal(the team was already good, he fit a need they had and filled a secondary role) and his contract was ideal(he provided elite performance without an elite price tag).

If still available, that's a deal I'd sign any day of the week. As is, I think it's pretty telling that you can't do that sort of thing any more.
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bustaheims said:
The only one you're missing is Gonchar for the first two Pittsburgh teams, and, to a lesser extent, Campbell, for the 1st Hawks team.
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Thanks for the additional names and context, guys.

So over the last 10 years, there have been 3 Cup Finals effective UFA signings (+2 sort ofs) conducive to repeated success; and for the most part they were augmentative additions, or impossible to duplicate value. I'm not even going to count how many UFA signings there have been in that time, but it looks like a very, very low success rate.

I'd be curious to see which teams made UFA splashes that resulted in them bleeding off younger potential stars as well, but without a comprehensive database of rosters and transaction history to play with, that'll have to wait for when the offseason is truly boring.
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You don't find that par for the likelihood of being 1 in 30 teams in the NHL to begin with?  That's why I said add in SCF, 2nd place finishers given that they did get as far as winning their conferences in the last 10 years, even though they missed out on hockey's holy grail.

Teams like the Rangers, Tampa Bay (unless you don't think Stralman is significant), etc.
 
TBLeafer said:
Teams like the Rangers, Tampa Bay (unless you don't think Stralman is significant), etc.
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Who do you count as the really significant UFA contributor on those Rangers teams? Richards?
 
TBLeafer said:
You don't find that par for the likelihood of being 1 in 30 teams in the NHL to begin with?  That's why I said add in SCF, 2nd place finishers given that they did get as far as winning their conferences in the last 10 years, even though they missed out on hockey's holy grail.

Teams like the Rangers, Tampa Bay (unless you don't think Stralman is significant), etc.
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I included repeat finalists per this point. Anaheim, Tampa, Ottawa, Edmonton, Philadelphia, New York, New Jersey, San Jose, and Carolina were not included because they didn't yield repeated finals appearances. A lot of the teams on this list are struggling to remain relevant right now.

Is it repeated, sustained success you want?
 
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