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Steve Stamkos?

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Stamkos isn't going to make this team that much better next year. Like has nobody been watching? They're awful. One player, even one as good as Stamkos, isn't going to change it overnight.
 
The Leafs have to get better eventually.

Chicago went: '03-'08 Did not make playoffs - '09 Conference Finals - '10 Stanley Cup.

I'd say signing Stamkos this offseason would be 1 year too soon for the rebuild. I don't think it'd be a deal breaker. I think it would mean 1 season of pain with Stamkos in the lineup. The season after (presumably Nylander's second with the Leafs, perhaps Marner's first) the Leafs should be looking for a deep playoff run.

The Leafs shouldn't want to be bad for too long (to beat a dead horse) and end up like Edmonton.
 
TML fan said:
Does Nylander get sent down if he's too good?
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Mcdavid, Crosby, Ovechkin...one good young player doesn't turn a team around by themselves right away. No matter how good.
 
Dappleganger said:
The Leafs shouldn't want to be bad for too long (to beat a dead horse) and end up like Edmonton.
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It's not about just being bad. Its about being strategically bad (top 5 picks) and not giving up assets to finish just out of the playoffs. They only started doing this properly last year.

Regarding the edmonton thing, I don't know why so many people hang their hats on it. You've got piles of good teams that have built through their own top draft picks (hint: we're playing one tonight), but because Edmonton is the exception that proves the rule, it isn't worth rebuilding like virtually all of the top team have?
 
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But Stamkos will?
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Shockingly, it's like there's a difference between adding a 26 year old and a teenager. Especially when you just finished illustrating the high talent teenagers they're adding anyway.
 
Dappleganger said:
The Leafs have to get better eventually.

Chicago went: '03-'08 Did not make playoffs - '09 Conference Finals - '10 Stanley Cup.

I'd say signing Stamkos this offseason would be 1 year too soon for the rebuild. I don't think it'd be a deal breaker. I think it would mean 1 season of pain with Stamkos in the lineup. The season after (presumably Nylander's second with the Leafs, perhaps Marner's first) the Leafs should be looking for a deep playoff run.

The Leafs shouldn't want to be bad for too long (to beat a dead horse) and end up like Edmonton.
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1 year? how are the Leafs an 08' Hawks team?

A deep playoff run two years from now is way too optimistic.
 
Nik the Trik said:
TML fan said:
But Stamkos will?
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Shockingly, it's like there's a difference between adding a 26 year old and a teenager. Especially when you just finished illustrating the high talent teenagers they're adding anyway.
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I'd trade Kadri and JVR for prospects and picks.  Add Stamkos.

I think they plan is still on course there.

Just so I'm clear, whose template are you wanting the Leafs to copy?
 
McGarnagle said:
Dappleganger said:
The Leafs shouldn't want to be bad for too long (to beat a dead horse) and end up like Edmonton.
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It's not about just being bad. Its about being strategically bad (top 5 picks) and not giving up assets to finish just out of the playoffs. They only started doing this properly last year.

Regarding the edmonton thing, I don't know why so many people hang their hats on it. You've got piles of good teams that have built through their own top draft picks (hint: we're playing one tonight), but because Edmonton is the exception that proves the rule, it isn't worth rebuilding like virtually all of the top team have?
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Boston didn't tank. Detroit didn't tank. Anaheim didn't tank. Dallas didn't tank. San Jose didn't tank. New York Rangers didn't tank. St. Louis didn't tank. All put together cup contending teams. 

LA only drafted top 3 once. The only teams who legitimately "tanked" and had multiple top 3 picks to win the Stanley Cup in the last 10 years were Chicago and Pittsburgh.
 
Nik the Trik said:
TML fan said:
Which would be?
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I'm not holding your hand through rudimentary concepts of how Athletes develop into better players over time.
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Youre like a Jedi with the way you deflect basic questions. It's almost like the words "I don't know" aren't in your vocabulary.
 
TML fan said:
Youre like a Jedi with the way you deflect basic questions. It's almost like the words "I don't know" aren't in your vocabulary.
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As soon as you have something to contribute to a discussion beyond basic questions, let me know.
 
Frank E said:
Tigger said:
Frank E said:
I'd trade Kadri and JVR for prospects and picks.  Add Stamkos.

I think they plan is still on course there.
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Oh man, it really isn't.
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I can play this game. 

Yes it is?
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Adding Stamkos at the expense of two of the Leafs better players doesn't make a lick of sense in terms of bottoming out and hoping adding Stamkos matters in the near future. If they were to trade Kadri and JVR, which I don't oppose at all, it should increase the positive confluence of bottoming out with a shitload of capspace, Stamkos drags it back down.
 
Tigger said:
Dappleganger said:
The Leafs have to get better eventually.

Chicago went: '03-'08 Did not make playoffs - '09 Conference Finals - '10 Stanley Cup.

I'd say signing Stamkos this offseason would be 1 year too soon for the rebuild. I don't think it'd be a deal breaker. I think it would mean 1 season of pain with Stamkos in the lineup. The season after (presumably Nylander's second with the Leafs, perhaps Marner's first) the Leafs should be looking for a deep playoff run.

The Leafs shouldn't want to be bad for too long (to beat a dead horse) and end up like Edmonton.
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1 year? how are the Leafs an 08' Hawks team?

A deep playoff run two years from now is way too optimistic.
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It's a comparable to the Hawks. If you look at the LA Kings, they have a similar trajectory.

I'm hoping we have a Kane comparable with Marner, and a No. 1 center comparable with Nylander. I don't think Reilly is on the same level as a Keith, but he still can improve. We'll see.

Is a deep playoff run in 2 years too optimistic? Maybe. But you're going to want to go from (hopefully) a Calder Cup in the AHL to having some playoff success in the NHL playoffs. You want the players to keep winning after they make the jump to the NHL. That's why it's great to see the Leafs management keeping the players in the AHL when they could be helping the Leafs right now.

 
Nik the Trik said:
TML fan said:
Youre like a Jedi with the way you deflect basic questions. It's almost like the words "I don't know" aren't in your vocabulary.
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As soon as you have something to contribute to a discussion beyond basic questions, let me know.
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How can I contribute if I don't understand your line of thinking? I figured if you were capable of explaining it, you would. Guess I was right.
 
Dappleganger said:
LA only drafted top 3 once. The only teams who legitimately "tanked" and had multiple top 3 picks to win the Stanley Cup in the last 10 years were Chicago and Pittsburgh.
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The Kings had 3 straight years of top 5 picks and, when they picked Doughty at #2, had a 22 year old elite center on the roster.

Hoping that Nylander is that is one thing.  Making future plans like it's a guarantee is something entirely different.
 
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