McGarnagle said:Hooboy. Here we go. No doubt another "accidental" like.
Or purposeful "troll" like.
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Or purposeful "troll" like.
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CarltonTheBear said:McGarnagle said:Hooboy. Here we go. No doubt another "accidental" like.
Or purposeful "troll" like.
Makes you wonder what constitutes tampering....
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McGarnagle said:CarltonTheBear said:McGarnagle said:Hooboy. Here we go. No doubt another "accidental" like.
Or purposeful "troll" like.
Makes you wonder what constitutes tampering....
It's pretty much a given that the Leafs will forfeit this year's 1st round pick as punishment.
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McGarnagle said:CarltonTheBear said:McGarnagle said:Hooboy. Here we go. No doubt another "accidental" like.
Or purposeful "troll" like.
Makes you wonder what constitutes tampering....
This... everything else is okay
Joe S. said:
Still, it's kind of funny that he's going out of his way to view those tweets.
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herman said:
Wait a second... the erndog44 that Shanahan is liking isn't Dredjaw/Erndog from here, is it...? Ernie hasn't been around here for a year or two.
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Potvin29 said:
It's a good article. I think though it's a little disconnected from the actual anti- or, at least, cautious side on Stamkos which seems to me to be less about how Stamkos will fit in with the existing core the team has and more about how Stamkos will affect the team's ability to add to the core if Rielly, Gardiner and Zaitsev aren't really the three guys you can build a championship blueline around.
My only concern with that article is that while it projects the cap to rise a decent amount over the years it doesn't take into consideration what effect that might have on player salaries. Post-ELCs Nylander and Marner (assuming they perform at the level we expect them to) might be worth $6-ish in this climate, but will that still be true when we're looking at a cap that's going into the 80s and beyond?
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So one of the most frequent things that has been brought up in the signing Stamkos discussion is "How often is an elite free agent on the market" and I thought it might be good to sort of answer that.
Now, as I said yesterday, "elite" is essentially a meaningless term so I thought to answer the question you should maybe limit it to people who unquestionably fit just about anyone's definition of a top player in the league.
To my mind anyway, that leaves us with 6 players who fit that definition that have been UFA's since the 04-05 lockout, namely: Niedermayer, Chara, Hossa, Kovalchuk, Suter, Stamkos(presumably).
Now keep in mind that this list excludes guys like Brad Richards(who hit UFA status after 2 seasons at better than a PPG as a #1 center), Zach Parise(who in his 3 full seasons before hitting UFA status as a 27 year old averaged 38 goals and 80 points) and it only counts Hossa once despite hitting UFA status once after coming off of three seasons averaging 37 goals and 86 points and then was a UFA again after a 40 goal, 71 point(in 74 game) season.
So, again, 6 elite free agents have hit UFA status. In 12 years of Salary Capped Unrestricted Free Agency. I don't need the calculator on my computer to tell you that means that an elite UFA is available roughly every other year in the current environment.
Now, as I said yesterday, "elite" is essentially a meaningless term so I thought to answer the question you should maybe limit it to people who unquestionably fit just about anyone's definition of a top player in the league.
To my mind anyway, that leaves us with 6 players who fit that definition that have been UFA's since the 04-05 lockout, namely: Niedermayer, Chara, Hossa, Kovalchuk, Suter, Stamkos(presumably).
Now keep in mind that this list excludes guys like Brad Richards(who hit UFA status after 2 seasons at better than a PPG as a #1 center), Zach Parise(who in his 3 full seasons before hitting UFA status as a 27 year old averaged 38 goals and 80 points) and it only counts Hossa once despite hitting UFA status once after coming off of three seasons averaging 37 goals and 86 points and then was a UFA again after a 40 goal, 71 point(in 74 game) season.
So, again, 6 elite free agents have hit UFA status. In 12 years of Salary Capped Unrestricted Free Agency. I don't need the calculator on my computer to tell you that means that an elite UFA is available roughly every other year in the current environment.
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Of those only Kovalchuk and Suter were under 29 years old when they signed and at 26 years old Stamkos would be the youngest of any of them to hit UFA.
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Frank E said:
This goes back to what Babcock said about adding big pieces when the team is ready, and not in the growing phase - as the Leafs currently are. At that point, production decline and such factors are much less important, because the focus is on the next few seasons. Teams like Boston, Chicago, and Anaheim received the elite-level performance when they needed it. We still don't really know when that point will be for the Leafs, so, looking at any more established additions in that light is kind of fruitless - and, also helps to hammer home the point many of us have made in regardless to signing Stamkos and where the Leafs are in the building process.
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All I was trying to say is that Stamkos is unique in being the youngest of the elite players to hit UFA. An extra year or two is significant IMO.
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