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[Chev-boyar-sky]

That one really doesnt wash as Tim Leiweke got approval for Shanaplan to take over. So it was stamped by management in one way or another. and Shanaplan has replaced the two assistant coaches, fired Loiselle/Poulen and brought in Dubois and Hunter. Now his coach is in place, not Randy.
Seems to me it is getting less dysfunctional all of a sudden.  And perhaps Nonis will be with old pal Burke in the not to distant future.
Oh heard that Calgary are the 3rd worst possession team in the league right now. How strange.

Who are all these people? Dubois? Shanaplan? Poulen?

Cherry's talking points for Saturday night.

 

[bustaheims]

I don't think we will ever truly know how much autonomy Nonis or any future Leafs GM under Shanahan will have. I mean, technically that quote from Nonis was true even before Shanny was brought on board. It's just then Nonis' boss was Leiweke or the MLSE board.

Well, the difference there was that Leiweke was the President of MLSE, not the Leafs specifically. He wasn't a hockey guy and shouldn't have had much say in hockey-related decisions, while the MLSE board was there to rubber stamp things and make sure the money was okay. Shanahan, on the other hand, is specifically in charge of the Leafs, and is expected to have input in hockey-related decisions. He's expected to be less concerned about money and newsworthy moves and the kind of things Leiweke was supposed to prioritize, and more concerned about building a team that can actually win.

 

[Deebo]

From Insider Trading on TSN tonight.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Man, TSN must so super excited that the Leafs might be active on trade deadline day.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Wait, Holzer? Seriously? I'm sure playoff teams will be clamouring for a 27-year old 7/8 defenceman with 50-ish NHL games to his name.

 

[Kin]

Wait, Holzer? Seriously? I'm sure playoff teams will be clamouring for a 27-year old 7/8 defenceman with 50-ish NHL games to his name.

Nobody will be falling over themselves offering four first rounders, sure, but if a team wants depth and all it would cost is a 6th rounder or thereabouts?

 

[pmrules]

From Insider Trading on TSN tonight.

Remember when most of the players on this list were under 25 and we were one of the youngest teams in the league and we were excited about our future!  Good times...

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Nobody will be falling over themselves offering four first rounders, sure, but if a team wants depth and all it would cost is a 6th rounder or thereabouts?

Most teams prefer to look at veterans when adding depth at that position. I just can't imagine a playoff team thinking that Holzer would be an improvement over what they currently have in their farm system.

Maybe it's just the completely arbitrary percentage system that Dreger used. If he was going to pull numbers out of his behind like that Holzer's should have at least been much lower considering there won't be very much interest.

 

[moon111]

Bozak probably would be a good fit for a team that doesn't try and make him a #1 center.

 

[bustaheims]

Most teams prefer to look at veterans when adding depth at that position. I just can't imagine a playoff team thinking that Holzer would be an improvement over what they currently have in their farm system.

Maybe it's just the completely arbitrary percentage system that Dreger used. If he was going to pull numbers out of his behind like that Holzer's should have at least been much lower considering there won't be very much interest.

He's a right-handed shot, which is something teams are always looking for, and he allows teams to leave their younger players to develop instead of throwing them into the pressure of a playoff run. He's cheap and he's on an expiring contract. He's exactly the type of depth pickup teams make at the deadline. A few guys like him get moved every deadline. He'll only bring back a 6th or a 7th, but I imagine Dreger's made up odds of him being moved are actually pretty close to the reality.

 

[caver]

From Insider Trading on TSN tonight.

Remember when most of the players on this list were under 25 and we were one of the youngest teams in the league and we were excited about our future!  Good times...

Part of this process will be to clear cap space and roster spots too..

 

[LuncheonMeat]

Wait, Holzer? Seriously? I'm sure playoff teams will be clamouring for a 27-year old 7/8 defenceman with 50-ish NHL games to his name.

I hear he could fetch an 8th round pick...

 

[Kin]

Nobody will be falling over themselves offering four first rounders, sure, but if a team wants depth and all it would cost is a 6th rounder or thereabouts?

Most teams prefer to look at veterans when adding depth at that position. I just can't imagine a playoff team thinking that Holzer would be an improvement over what they currently have in their farm system.

Maybe it's just the completely arbitrary percentage system that Dreger used. If he was going to pull numbers out of his behind like that Holzer's should have at least been much lower considering there won't be very much interest.

As much as I tend to disregard media speculation around the deadline I'd guess Dreger's numbers aren't completely arbitrary. I'd have to guess that, at a minimum, he called around to the people he talks too around the league and asked what the likelihood is that these players get moved. I agree that putting percentages to it is silly but I'd guess that the answer he got with Holzer is "sure, but not for much".

I mean, yeah, teams would prefer a veteran but not everybody gets what they want at the deadline and the dregs do get moved.

 

[Bullfrog]

Wait, Holzer? Seriously? I'm sure playoff teams will be clamouring for a 27-year old 7/8 defenceman with 50-ish NHL games to his name.

I hear he could fetch an 8th round pick...

That's better than a 9th rounder!

 

[Highlander]

I'd rather have half a fourth rounder. Top or bottom, doesnt matter.

 

[mc]

Man, TSN must so super excited that the Leafs might be active on trade deadline day.

I bet the $ rate for the ads went up on trade line day.

 

[L K]

Lupul to Arizona
Franson to Carolina

 

[freer]

Lupul to Arizona
Franson to Carolina

I have read Dion to LA
Reimer to CJB

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Well, the difference there was that Leiweke was the President of MLSE, not the Leafs specifically. He wasn't a hockey guy and shouldn't have had much say in hockey-related decisions, while the MLSE board was there to rubber stamp things and make sure the money was okay. Shanahan, on the other hand, is specifically in charge of the Leafs, and is expected to have input in hockey-related decisions. He's expected to be less concerned about money and newsworthy moves and the kind of things Leiweke was supposed to prioritize, and more concerned about building a team that can actually win.

I do still think that people are reading more into that line than they should have. Shanahan isn't the teams GM. If he wanted to be he could quite easily have that title. His job isn't to oversee every single trade and signing that the team makes. He sets the direction and hands off the responsibilities to the rest of the front office. I'm sure as a brain trust the entire group will make a decision on whether they should trade or re-sign Franson, with Shanahan having a big say there. But if Nonis comes back to Shanahan and says hey I've got a deal all done and ready to go I can't see a situation where Shanny would say "no, I think you could get a 1st instead of a 2nd round pick, go back and do it again".

I've certainly joked myself about Nonis being the assistant GM now but I don't think that's actually the case. This isn't a Sakic/Sherman scenario like in Colorado. Nonis is still the General Manager of this team, and Shanahan clearly trusts him to be in that position and to make the decisions that a GM would, otherwise he would have already been fired. In Boston Chiarelli has a boss in the same situation as Nonis, but nobody thinks that he isn't any less of a GM.

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

Keep transitioning that 18 wheeler off the cliff into an aircraft carrier over a waterfall, boys!