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Joe S. said:I can't disagree with the assessment the article presents. Except for the Nolan trade. I will always maintain that it was the right trade at the time.
I could be wrong bit it think since the trade Nolan ended up playing more games than any of the pieces that were involved in that deal. I'll have to look that up though.
L K said:Joe S. said:I can't disagree with the assessment the article presents. Except for the Nolan trade. I will always maintain that it was the right trade at the time.
I could be wrong bit it think since the trade Nolan ended up playing more games than any of the pieces that were involved in that deal. I'll have to look that up though.
I'm going to back the Leetch trade too. The Leafs would have been better getting Chris Pronger rather than another offensive defenseman but they gave up a 6th round draft prospect who was a non-NHLer, an 8th round draft prospect who was a non-NHLer, a 1st round pick (24th overall) and a 2nd round draft pick for what was supposed to be a year and a half of Leetch. They got burned by a lockout that the Leafs never wanted. That was still a very good team. Borderline Cup contender, but a contender nonetheless.
Joe S. said:I can't disagree with the assessment the article presents. Except for the Nolan trade. I will always maintain that it was the right trade at the time.
I could be wrong but I think since the trade Nolan ended up playing more games than any of the pieces that were involved in that deal. I'll have to look that up though.
Ohh... I was wrong. Forgot it was boyes. I thought it was just macauley and a 1st.
L K said:Joe S. said:I can't disagree with the assessment the article presents. Except for the Nolan trade. I will always maintain that it was the right trade at the time.
I could be wrong bit it think since the trade Nolan ended up playing more games than any of the pieces that were involved in that deal. I'll have to look that up though.
I'm going to back the Leetch trade too. The Leafs would have been better getting Chris Pronger rather than another offensive defenseman but they gave up a 6th round draft prospect who was a non-NHLer, an 8th round draft prospect who was a non-NHLer, a 1st round pick (24th overall) and a 2nd round draft pick for what was supposed to be a year and a half of Leetch. They got burned by a lockout that the Leafs never wanted. That was still a very good team. Borderline Cup contender, but a contender nonetheless.
Potvin29 said:I maintain if one trade was the absolute worst for the team long term, it was Rask for Raycroft. If I absolutely had to pick one.
bustaheims said:Potvin29 said:I maintain if one trade was the absolute worst for the team long term, it was Rask for Raycroft. If I absolutely had to pick one.
It started them down a really bad path, yeah. The trade itself was awful, but, it also lead to the Toskala and Giguere trades. It was really just a mess.
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:I never root for a loss in any given game, can't do it. But in the larger context, I hope for a great measure of tank.
It's time to gut this sucker and let the entrails sink to the bottom of the pond.
Potvin29 said:bustaheims said:Potvin29 said:I maintain if one trade was the absolute worst for the team long term, it was Rask for Raycroft. If I absolutely had to pick one.
It started them down a really bad path, yeah. The trade itself was awful, but, it also lead to the Toskala and Giguere trades. It was really just a mess.
Yeah, you can just imagine so many other moves not having to happen if that deal isn't made.
Heroic Shrimp said:Potvin29 said:bustaheims said:Potvin29 said:I maintain if one trade was the absolute worst for the team long term, it was Rask for Raycroft. If I absolutely had to pick one.
It started them down a really bad path, yeah. The trade itself was awful, but, it also lead to the Toskala and Giguere trades. It was really just a mess.
Yeah, you can just imagine so many other moves not having to happen if that deal isn't made.
So who would be the 2015 player equivalent to Raycroft that we could trade Nylander for?
Potvin29 said:Heroic Shrimp said:Potvin29 said:bustaheims said:Potvin29 said:I maintain if one trade was the absolute worst for the team long term, it was Rask for Raycroft. If I absolutely had to pick one.
It started them down a really bad path, yeah. The trade itself was awful, but, it also lead to the Toskala and Giguere trades. It was really just a mess.
Yeah, you can just imagine so many other moves not having to happen if that deal isn't made.
So who would be the 2015 player equivalent to Raycroft that we could trade Nylander for?
Clarkson?
bustaheims said:Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:I never root for a loss in any given game, can't do it. But in the larger context, I hope for a great measure of tank.
It's time to gut this sucker and let the entrails sink to the bottom of the pond.
I can't really, either, until last few games of the season when they're legitimately jockeying for a better draft position. Right now, it's more that I'm less enthusiastic about wins because I see them as being fruitless endeavours.
Potvin29 said:L K said:Joe S. said:I can't disagree with the assessment the article presents. Except for the Nolan trade. I will always maintain that it was the right trade at the time.
I could be wrong bit it think since the trade Nolan ended up playing more games than any of the pieces that were involved in that deal. I'll have to look that up though.
I'm going to back the Leetch trade too. The Leafs would have been better getting Chris Pronger rather than another offensive defenseman but they gave up a 6th round draft prospect who was a non-NHLer, an 8th round draft prospect who was a non-NHLer, a 1st round pick (24th overall) and a 2nd round draft pick for what was supposed to be a year and a half of Leetch. They got burned by a lockout that the Leafs never wanted. That was still a very good team. Borderline Cup contender, but a contender nonetheless.
I maintain if one trade was the absolute worst for the team long term, it was Rask for Raycroft. If I absolutely had to pick one.
pmrules said:Potvin29 said:L K said:Joe S. said:I can't disagree with the assessment the article presents. Except for the Nolan trade. I will always maintain that it was the right trade at the time.
I could be wrong bit it think since the trade Nolan ended up playing more games than any of the pieces that were involved in that deal. I'll have to look that up though.
I'm going to back the Leetch trade too. The Leafs would have been better getting Chris Pronger rather than another offensive defenseman but they gave up a 6th round draft prospect who was a non-NHLer, an 8th round draft prospect who was a non-NHLer, a 1st round pick (24th overall) and a 2nd round draft pick for what was supposed to be a year and a half of Leetch. They got burned by a lockout that the Leafs never wanted. That was still a very good team. Borderline Cup contender, but a contender nonetheless.
I maintain if one trade was the absolute worst for the team long term, it was Rask for Raycroft. If I absolutely had to pick one.
Ahh...love that trade.
Hypothetical question...
Assume it was Pogge instead of Rask in that trade.
Is there anyone other than me who thinks there is an outside shot (i.e. not a guarantee) that it is Pogge with the Stanley Cup and the Vezina, and Rask outside the NHL?
Inference being that it was the Toronto team/system that ruined Pogge and the Boston team/system that helped to make Rask what he is today (Chara/Bergeron in their primes could make a lot of goalies).
If I recall correctly that at the time of the trade the talent levels of Rask/Pogge were considered to be at a similar level (i don't know this to be true since i don't follow junior/euro hockey so I have to assume based on what i remember hearing at the time).
pmrules said:Hypothetical question...
Assume it was Pogge instead of Rask in that trade.
Is there anyone other than me who thinks there is an outside shot (i.e. not a guarantee) that it is Pogge with the Stanley Cup and the Vezina, and Rask outside the NHL?
Inference being that it was the Toronto team/system that ruined Pogge and the Boston team/system that helped to make Rask what he is today (Chara/Bergeron in their primes could make a lot of goalies).
If I recall correctly that at the time of the trade the talent levels of Rask/Pogge were considered to be at a similar level (i don't know this to be true since i don't follow junior/euro hockey so I have to assume based on what i remember hearing at the time).