THE 2016 NHL DRAFT-DAY THREAD

[Frank E]

I believe the "show" portion starts at 6:30.

Thank you, but I'm very inclined to believe Nik's statement.

 

[Zee]

I believe the "show" portion starts at 6:30.

Thank you, but I'm very inclined to believe Nik's statement.

All the TSN1050 radio shows are live from Buffalo today, they've been talking draft non-stop this 5:30 this morning.

 

[Jolly good show chaps]

Just been reading about Minnesota potentially looking to trade a/some young d-men for some offensive help. Anything that could be of interest to us plus for JVR? Also considering a buyout of Vanek if we could take that contract as an alternative...

 

[Frank E]

I believe the "show" portion starts at 6:30.

Thank you, but I'm very inclined to believe Nik's statement.

All the TSN1050 radio shows are live from Buffalo today, they've been talking draft non-stop this 5:30 this morning.

How many mock drafts have they run?

 

[TBLeafer]

I don't see JVR moving until the Stamkos situation is sorted one way or another.

I just don't see him moving at all, it would need to be a very sweet offer. He is what most teams want in a winger, us included. So to move him would be a step back.

Look at it this way: JVR is here on an amazingly palatable salary and cap hit for the next two seasons. Toronto realistically isn't going to start contending (or try to start) for at least 3 years. So it makes sense to move an attractive commodity at its highest value.

When the Leafs are ready to contend and JVR is nearing 30 and looking for 7x6, that suddenly doesn't look so palatable.

You probably know by now that I disagree with that.  Especially the "try to start" part.

Contending and competing are two very different things. I imagine this team will be competitive starting this upcoming season. If you think they are a contender this year; however, well, good luck to you sir and happy watching. I think you might be a tad disappointed.

Ahhh, gotcha.  I think they are two seasons away from CONTENDING.  51 years is long enough.

Imagine another 51 years if they don't do this right, 2 years, good grief.

There are 30 NHL teams that 'try to do it right'. Some have NEVER won a cup since induction.

They are drafting, they are developing, they are building through trade and UFA.  They are already, safely doing it right.

Enjoy the show.  In three years time (the last year of Matthews and Marner's ELCs) they will be a top 8 in the league contender.

 

[TBLeafer]

I believe the "show" portion starts at 6:30.

Thank you, but I'm very inclined to believe Nik's statement.

Yeah, I'm talking about the show called the Draft, not talk about the draft.  Live coverage from the draft floor and such.  That is 6:30 pm.

 

[Tigger]

Enjoy the show.

I'm finding the 'Shanahan can do no wrong' show entertaining enough.

 

[Frank E]

I believe the "show" portion starts at 6:30.

Thank you, but I'm very inclined to believe Nik's statement.

Yeah, I'm talking about the show called the Draft, not talk about the draft.  Live coverage from the draft floor and such.  That is 6:30 pm.

I understand.  Thank you.

 

[Zee]

I believe the "show" portion starts at 6:30.

Thank you, but I'm very inclined to believe Nik's statement.

All the TSN1050 radio shows are live from Buffalo today, they've been talking draft non-stop this 5:30 this morning.

How many mock drafts have they run?

There was actually a funny moment this morning when Babcock walked by Naylor and Landsberg and talked a bit on the show, Dreger was there and then after Babcock walked away immediately did his Babcock impersonation.  Spot on and I laughed.

Found it, 32 minutes in here: http://www.tsn.ca/radio/toronto-1050/naylor-and-landsberg-hour-2-1.514603

 

[herman]

Just been reading about Minnesota potentially looking to trade a/some young d-men for some offensive help. Anything that could be of interest to us plus for JVR? Also considering a buyout of Vanek if we could take that contract as an alternative...

Dumba55 perhaps? I don't know their pipeline well enough, but they only have 4 picks this year so it's not likely to be one of those.

 

[rdowdall]

Just been reading about Minnesota potentially looking to trade a/some young d-men for some offensive help. Anything that could be of interest to us plus for JVR? Also considering a buyout of Vanek if we could take that contract as an alternative...

Dumba55 perhaps? I don't know their pipeline well enough, but they only have 4 picks this year so it's not likely to be one of those.

No but Minnesota is definitely in "win now" mode.  They have sunk a lot of money in to Parise and Suter, and they need to see some results.  They are one of those teams that could move future for present.  Also they need scoring. 

 

[Tigger]

Just been reading about Minnesota potentially looking to trade a/some young d-men for some offensive help. Anything that could be of interest to us plus for JVR? Also considering a buyout of Vanek if we could take that contract as an alternative...

Dumba55 perhaps? I don't know their pipeline well enough, but they only have 4 picks this year so it's not likely to be one of those.

No but Minnesota is definitely in "win now" mode.  They have sunk a lot of money in to Parise and Suter, and they need to see some results.  They are one of those teams that could move future for present.  Also they need scoring.

I think it would depend in part on what he's looking for in a contract but yeah, that's a target that's not out of the question.

 

[herman]

Just been reading about Minnesota potentially looking to trade a/some young d-men for some offensive help. Anything that could be of interest to us plus for JVR? Also considering a buyout of Vanek if we could take that contract as an alternative...

Dumba55 perhaps? I don't know their pipeline well enough, but they only have 4 picks this year so it's not likely to be one of those.

No but Minnesota is definitely in "win now" mode.  They have sunk a lot of money in to Parise and Suter, and they need to see some results.  They are one of those teams that could move future for present.  Also they need scoring.

Yeah, I thought Kessel would've gone there last year.

 

[TBLeafer]

Enjoy the show.

I'm finding the 'Shanahan can do no wrong' show entertaining enough.

They may have made their first one if Reimer's career goes much better than Andersen's from this point forward, but right now Andersen has yet to let in a goal as a Leaf... so far so good. 

 

[Frank E]

Just been reading about Minnesota potentially looking to trade a/some young d-men for some offensive help. Anything that could be of interest to us plus for JVR? Also considering a buyout of Vanek if we could take that contract as an alternative...

Dumba55 perhaps? I don't know their pipeline well enough, but they only have 4 picks this year so it's not likely to be one of those.

No but Minnesota is definitely in "win now" mode.  They have sunk a lot of money in to Parise and Suter, and they need to see some results.  They are one of those teams that could move future for present.  Also they need scoring.

I don't know much about Dumba...he's a RHD...he only played 16-18 minutes per game most of the year...is he projected to be anything more than what he is now?

 

[rdowdall]

Just been reading about Minnesota potentially looking to trade a/some young d-men for some offensive help. Anything that could be of interest to us plus for JVR? Also considering a buyout of Vanek if we could take that contract as an alternative...

Dumba55 perhaps? I don't know their pipeline well enough, but they only have 4 picks this year so it's not likely to be one of those.

No but Minnesota is definitely in "win now" mode.  They have sunk a lot of money in to Parise and Suter, and they need to see some results.  They are one of those teams that could move future for present.  Also they need scoring.

Yeah, I thought Kessel would've gone there last year.

That is one of those deals where it makes almost too much sense to happen.  BTW, the no wasn't to Dumba, I think they could move him, or Brodin.  The no was more to the possibilty of moving picks.  I think they would move a pick if they thought it would strengthen their team for next year.  I think Brodin would be the better player to go after, but I think both are top 2 or 3 d-men on a team.

 

[TBLeafer]

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[Kin]

Because of their relative lack of high value picks or prospects, it's pretty difficult to work out a trade with Minnesota that isn't essentially a zero-sum game.

 

[herman]

http://bluejacketsxtra.dispatch.com/content/blogs/puck-rakers/2016/06/kekalainen-ok-as-lone-wolf.html

Kekalainen has listened to at least 10 offers, he said, that would involve the Blue Jackets trading away the No. 3 pick, which they earned by finishing 27th in the NHL last season and by moving up one spot via the NHL draft lottery. He continued to send signals of a willingness to trade the pick when he met with two reporters in a suburban Buffalo hotel on Thursday.

"If we pick at three, we'll get a great player," Kekalainen said. "If we move down, we're going to take a player that we feel is going to be as good -- or nearly as good -- as we would have gotten at three.

"If we move down, it's not that we're going to settle for a much lesser of a player by doing it. We feel that the top of the draft is so good that, if we're going to move back, we're probably not going to move back very much."

Kekalainen said he has offers on the table to move down in the order. On Wednesday he said he'd spoken to 10 teams that are interested in No. 3 pick, but he made it clear on Thursday that he won't trade out of the top 10.

[...]

"We're getting some serious and real offers right now," Kekalainen said, noting the difference between two GMs making proposals and having a hard, on-the-table offer. "We're making sure we have them all lined up so that we can compare them and see what the best one is and whether it's worth consideration.

"I've talked to every team in the top 10. We've got their interest in what they want to do. We have a pretty good idea for what everybody's intentions are, what it might take and what they might offer if they want to move up to three."

Kekalainen reiterated on Thursday that a trade will happen only after Toronto and Winnipeg have made their picks, which indicates that the Blue Jackets aren't exactly smitten with one of the presumed top three picks.

More precisely, since Matthews is almost certain to go No. 1 to Toronto, it's not a reckless assumption to say Kekalainen isn't sold one of the Finns. For many weeks now, an again on Thursday, Kekalainen has declined to even describe the skill packages and attributes of Laine or Puljujarvi, two big-body wingers.

[...]

And now, the Blue Jackets -- the first team to hire a European GM, who just happens to be from Finland -- is going to pass on one-third of the Big Three?

"It's great to hear everybody's opinions, and the mock drafts and this stuff," Kekalainen said. "It's awesome to read it. But the truth is, the way we do our work ... our scouts have seen those guys play again and again and again. We've interviewed them. Our scouts have met with their parents, their cousins, their team's athletic therapy teachers, their kindergarten teachers.

"(Our scouts) file hundreds of reports on them, so those are the guys we're going to listen to. When the list is ready, that's the one we're going to rely on. Whether it's close to the consensus of the experts or not, that's what we're going to rely on and how we're going to do our business. We feel it's the only right way to do business."

Goes on to highlight that Kekalainen was instrumental in picking Hossa and Pietrangelo over some 'consensus' picks, with a good ol' 'Where are they now?'.

I like this guy.

 

[Tigger]

Just been reading about Minnesota potentially looking to trade a/some young d-men for some offensive help. Anything that could be of interest to us plus for JVR? Also considering a buyout of Vanek if we could take that contract as an alternative...

Dumba55 perhaps? I don't know their pipeline well enough, but they only have 4 picks this year so it's not likely to be one of those.

No but Minnesota is definitely in "win now" mode.  They have sunk a lot of money in to Parise and Suter, and they need to see some results.  They are one of those teams that could move future for present.  Also they need scoring.

I don't know much about Dumba...he's a RHD...he only played 16-18 minutes per game most of the year...is he projected to be anything more than what he is now?

I think so, he's gradually been getting more ice time over the years. I also think they'd be more willing to move him than Brodin.