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Bates said:And that number 1 center you are looking for is here apparently. Lombardi pretty much played number 1 position in Phoenix.
Busta Reims said:Bates said:And that number 1 center you are looking for is here apparently. Lombardi pretty much played number 1 position in Phoenix.
Playing on the first line and being a number 1 centre are two very different things.
Bates said:I was responding to post that Leafs and Coyotes are different as Leafs need a number 1 goalie and number 1 center and coaching and system are not problem. I simply pointed out that we have the number 1 center from a team with much better coach and system.
cw said:Bates said:I was responding to post that Leafs and Coyotes are different as Leafs need a number 1 goalie and number 1 center and coaching and system are not problem. I simply pointed out that we have the number 1 center from a team with much better coach and system.
I was thinking about Tippett the other day. I asked myself "what if he was coaching this group over the last couple of seasons? Would he have done better?" It's pure conjecture on my part and my feeling was that he very likely would have done better. I think he's a very good and smart coach who knows how to squeeze the most out of a roster.
I'm not saying Wilson is a bad coach because I honestly don't believe he is. But I do think a number of NHL coaches are better.
Bender said:http://blogs.thescore.com/nhl/2011/11/09/ron-wilson-sent-a-message-to-his-goalies-in-his-press-conference/
Bates said:Phoenix prob don't have a good player at any position relative to depth yet they make playoffs last couple years. The difference to me is coaching and getting players to buy into system that can make them successful.
Bates said:I was just showing that even if you don't have the perceived best players at each position you can still be a very good team
Fanatic said:I would not advocate for a coaching change unless Burke is convinced he has someone better that will make a real impact. Who is out there that would be better?
If a new coach comes in and the team continues to lose things will seem worse than they are now. Some people seem to want to try a coaching change like it is a goalie change "Hey let's give Scrivens a shot".... that may or may not work when it comes to trying out an AHL goalie but you cannot change coaches like you change goalies."hey let's give Eakins a shot". When Scrivens doesn't work out you have a small problem, when Ealins doesn't work out you have a disaster on your hands.
I am not crazy about Wilson, but I would need a better reason to change than just to change.
Saint Nik said:Bates said:I was just showing that even if you don't have the perceived best players at each position you can still be a very good team
Was Phoenix a really good team in those years or did they play a style that was able to work for them in the regular season but got exposed when the games really mattered?
I know there's a tendency to say that it doesn't matter but I think most Leafs fans would prefer to not make the playoffs and continue building than to get in the way Phoenix did and then get exposed as pretenders.
Bender said:http://blogs.thescore.com/nhl/2011/11/09/ron-wilson-sent-a-message-to-his-goalies-in-his-press-conference/
Bates said:I think you are correct Nik that Phoenix were exposed as not that good in the playoffs but I will say it again that I think that the Leafs have more talent than Phoenix and with a better coaching system could be a much better team that the Coyotes.
Saint Nik said:Also, while I wouldn't be opposed to a coaching change, I think that more of what's gone wrong this year reflects poorly on Burke as opposed to Wilson.