The Unofficial Fire Ron Wilson/Ron Wilson is the Greatest Thread

[cw]

Yeah, I don't think Reimer would have made a lot of difference last night.

It was two plays that stuck out to me, the Schenn moment and Chara being wide open in front after Lupul blew a tire/refs missed a call that was a real difference on the score sheet.

And Gunnarsson's bear hug that led to the five on three. Not a good penalty to take there.

Krejci just blowing past Bozak to jam Horton's toss in at the goalmouth on the second goal.

Pouliot alone in the slot on the PK with a partial screen and he delivers a peanut butter shot.

Any one of those might have been stopped by Gus - some requiring a darn near miracle. But I don't think any of them represented poor goaltending by a NHL goalie nor do I think the majority of NHL goalies would have stopped any of them.

I had much bigger and basic issues with the coverages or the skaters on all of those goals:
- two Bruins free to bang away in his goal crease
- two Bruins clearly open in prime slot real estate and they both deliver very good shots
- one 5 on 3 side door

Those were top quality scoring chances given up courtesy of the Leafs skaters.

 

[Fanatic]

DamoSpinDamien Cox
In case you think the Carlyle-to-Leafs is only a topic in Toronto, u shud know its all the chatter down here in DC before Caps/Pens tonite.

 

[Zee]

DamoSpinDamien Cox
In case you think the Carlyle-to-Leafs is only a topic in Toronto, u shud know its all the chatter down here in DC before Caps/Pens tonite.

Yes Damian, I "shud"

 

[Tigger]

I had much bigger and basic issues with the coverages or the skaters on all of those goals:
- two Bruins free to bang away in his goal crease
- two Bruins clearly open in prime slot real estate and they both deliver very good shots
- one 5 on 3 side door

Those were top quality scoring chances given up courtesy of the Leafs skaters.

Good points, of the 39 shots against there were quite a few quality chances.

I forgot about the Gunnar bearhug too, that was a killer.

 

[Fanatic]

DamoSpinDamien Cox
In case you think the Carlyle-to-Leafs is only a topic in Toronto, u shud know its all the chatter down here in DC before Caps/Pens tonite.

Yes Damian, I "shud"

A quick check in Word shows that Damien's post is 139 characters long - Twitter is limited to 140. You shud know that.  ;D

 

[Zee]

DamoSpinDamien Cox
In case you think the Carlyle-to-Leafs is only a topic in Toronto, u shud know its all the chatter down here in DC before Caps/Pens tonite.

Yes Damian, I "shud"

A quick check in Word shows that Damien's post is 139 characters long - Twitter is limited to 140. You shud know that.  ;D

For an extra 2 letters to spell "should" he could have shortened "Carlyle-to-Leafs" to "Carlyle-2-Leafs" 

 

[ZBBM]

I stand shoulder to shoulder with Zee, but of course I don't expect Burke to fire his buddy now that the team is finally playing better.  And, all kidding aside, I certainly wouldn't advocate it now.

But I will be angry if Burke extends him before the end of the season.  The team is off to a good start and finally looks to have patched some of the glaring problems.  Yet we aren't even halfway through and who knows what gives after this?

I am not even saying that making the playoffs is the minimum Wilson needs to accomplish to keep his job.  But if not that, they'd damn well better be razor close.

 

[Tigger]

I stand shoulder to shoulder with Zee, but of course I don't expect Burke to fire his buddy now that the team is finally playing better.  And, all kidding aside, I certainly wouldn't advocate it now.

But I will be angry if Burke extends him before the end of the season.  The team is off to a good start and finally looks to have patched some of the glaring problems.  Yet we aren't even halfway through and who knows what gives after this?

I am not even saying that making the playoffs is the minimum Wilson needs to accomplish to keep his job.  But if not that, they'd damn well better be razor close.

I think that's a good notion, wait and see how they do by the end of the year and personally I think it's playoffs or bust for Wilson.

 

[cw]

DamoSpinDamien Cox
In case you think the Carlyle-to-Leafs is only a topic in Toronto, u shud know its all the chatter down here in DC before Caps/Pens tonite.

Cox shud no he cant be traded and Burke dont give a rats ass about chatter.

 

[bustaheims]

DamoSpinDamien Cox
In case you think the Carlyle-to-Leafs is only a topic in Toronto, u shud know its all the chatter down here in DC before Caps/Pens tonite.

It wouldn't shock me if Carlyle joins the Leafs in some capacity, but, it would shock me if it's as head coach.

 

[Zee]

DamoSpinDamien Cox
In case you think the Carlyle-to-Leafs is only a topic in Toronto, u shud know its all the chatter down here in DC before Caps/Pens tonite.

It wouldn't shock me if Carlyle joins the Leafs in some capacity, but, it would shock me if it's as head coach.

It would actually shock me if Carlyle joined the Leafs in any other capacity.  If he's in the organization, there will be constant speculation that he's the "coach waiting in the wings" for Wilson to be fired.  Why give Wilson that type of distraction?  "Hey Ronny, we're hiring Carlyle here, but don't worry your job is safe"

 

[cw]

I think it's playoffs or bust for Wilson.

I do as well.

There will be plenty of good candidates left standing when the coaching musical chairs plays out for Ron Wilson's job. Maybe Carlyle will be one of those candidates and maybe he won't.

 

[Optimus Reimer]

DamoSpinDamien Cox
In case you think the Carlyle-to-Leafs is only a topic in Toronto, u shud know its all the chatter down here in DC before Caps/Pens tonite.

I doubt that the chatter down there would be about Carlyle coaching the Leafs.  I think it would be more of Hunter coaching his first game involving Ovechkin vs Crosby.  But hey, I am glad that Cox thinks that the other cities consider what is going on with the Leafs to be important.

 

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Maybe Carlyle will be one of those candidates and maybe he won't.

If Carlyle was hired in some capacity by the Leafs, would it have any effect on his contract with Anaheim?

Look, not only will I take Blake off your hands and you give you value in return but I'll go one step further for your bottom line...

 

[Arn]

I think it's playoffs or bust for Wilson.

I do as well.

There will be plenty of good candidates left standing when the coaching musical chairs plays out for Ron Wilson's job. Maybe Carlyle will be one of those candidates and maybe he won't.

Paul Maurice is available, he should be an options - worked wonders at times with the Canes

 

[bustaheims]

If Carlyle was hired in some capacity by the Leafs, would it have any effect on his contract with Anaheim?

Yeah - it would make the rest of it null and void.

 

[Mikhail Bloodnovsky]

If Carlyle was hired in some capacity by the Leafs, would it have any effect on his contract with Anaheim?

Yeah - it would make the rest of it null and void.

I don't think so. Wouldnt he pull 2 pay cheques?

 

[cw]

Maybe Carlyle will be one of those candidates and maybe he won't.

If Carlyle was hired in some capacity by the Leafs, would it have any effect on his contract with Anaheim?

Look, not only will I take Blake off your hands and you give you value in return but I'll go one step further for your bottom line...

A more recent NHL pattern is that the dismissed coach can be retained as a consultant or scout until their deal runs out. Hitchcock was doing that for Columbus when he got hired by the Blues. Pat Quinn in both Edmonton & Toronto had some sort of deal in place such that when he was fired, he couldn't double bang his salary with another team unless he released his previous employer.

I suspect Carlyle probably has some sort of clause like that.

So the relief for Anaheim is that Carlyle may put his feet up until the end of this season when he knows he can pick over openings. By next year, Anaheim will probably be free of his deal because he's unlikely to want to sit on his fanny for three years as he'd be out of the league too long to be as attractive a candidate for coaching.

Or, like you suggest, the Leafs could pick him up but I doubt they'd do that while Wilson is still coach of the Leafs.

 

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Or, like you suggest, the Leafs could pick him up but I doubt they'd do that while Wilson is still coach of the Leafs.

Yeah, it's unlikely, it was just a silly notion about doing what it takes to land Ryan but it would also put some heat on Wilson, not sure if that's good or bad really, maybe more bad at this point.

 

[cw]

Or, like you suggest, the Leafs could pick him up but I doubt they'd do that while Wilson is still coach of the Leafs.

Yeah, it's unlikely, it was just a silly notion about doing what it takes to land Ryan but it would also put some heat on Wilson, not sure if that's good or bad really, maybe more bad at this point.

Burke has too much class to do something like that.

As well, as much as I have some criticism for Wilson last year and in spite of Burke's attempt at revisionist history in his recent TSN interview, Brian was darn late to the GM party that said "top6/bottom6" was a dated approach in the NHL. And his buddy Ron, paid some of the price in the media for that GM talent acquisition oversight of the 2010 summer.

I like Burke plenty and have been nowhere close to calling for his head but he messed up some too and got more of a free pass than Wilson did.