The Unofficial Fire Ron Wilson/Ron Wilson is the Greatest Thread

[Fanatic]

Reading the papers this morning I can see that some media are greatly troubled that their opinion of whether or not Wilson should be extended is being completely ignored by Burke.

 

[Deebo]

I did the same thing got 42-28-11 for 95 points in 81 games.

I know you're not trying to make this point but, I mean, that kind of sucks, no? I mean, it's not terrible or anything but 96 points would have had the Leafs in a three-way tie for 6th last year. If Wilson's strongest argument is that in a stretch encompassing two seasons the Leafs had the record of a team that would have barely scraped into the playoffs, I mean, corporate accountability!

I don't think it sucks.

 

[Deebo]

Dreger says its a 1 year extension.

 

[lamajama]

If it's a 1 year extension I can live with it - it may turn out to be nothing more than a retirement present. I just don't understand what has changed from the summer and no extension then unless as previously posted the "room" is starting to ignore him. As far as the extension goes, he was in no danger of being hired by another team in the off-season and if he was  we do have some viable candidates available. It just seems like a double-standard by Bruke with "accountability"...

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Dreger says its a 1 year extension.

With that cleared up, I honestly don't see how anybody can even be upset with it really. If Wilson misses the playoffs again he'll probably still be fired, and MLSE can easily afford that. And he's not, then go ahead and freak out. But all this does is give the dressing room a little stability.

 

[bustaheims]

With that cleared up, I honestly don't see how anybody can even be upset with it really. If Wilson misses the playoffs again he'll probably still be fired, and MLSE can easily afford that. And he's not, then go ahead and freak out. But all this does is give the dressing room a little stability.

Yeah. All it really does is remove the whole "lame duck" thing from the situation. It gives Wilson a bit of a safety net, but, doesn't really provide with any job security whatsoever. Really, it just gives him a little more breathing room so he doesn't have to constantly feel like he's fighting for his job.

 

[Capn_Crunch]

Merry effin Xmas BB.... thanks for putting a damper on it.

Hey, really sorry you have to deal with something like this on Xmas.  It would be tough on any day of the year, but especially on Xmas. 

I really hope you're able to make it through this, we'll all be thinking of you.

If I can't express my opinion without you being a sarcastic ass then you can kiss mine. If I was going to get news of the hockey variety today I would have preferred for it to be good news or at least something that made me smile not cringe at the thought of someone behind the bench who is mediocre at best... And at worst someone who isn't determined to at least figure out what the hell to do about our special teams issues that have been one of our biggest downfalls during his tenure. Don't mistake my post count for me being a casual visitor... I've simply been too busy to post on a reg basis since the db crash.

Just hoping you can exercise some perspective on the contract extension of a hockey coach, so that it doesn't 'put a damper' on what is, presumably and hopefully, time that should be happy with family and friends.

I agree with Potvin on this one. If this news ruined Christmas thats pretty sad.

what's with jumping all over people's posts? I did not read anywhere that he said his Christmas was ruined. I've been going to this site for a very long time now and the last couple years have been awful for people ripping other people views and opinions apart since they disagree with them. Now to me that is sad. It's one thing to disagree its another to be a jackass about it.

Exactly... I never said it was ruined but that rather it put a momentary damper on it.

Disagree yes, Agree to disagree, yes... but to be a douchebag a bout it... just plain wrong. hence why I said the poster could kiss my arse. I dislike RW, the list is long and growing by the week and that's my opinion. If Gal and Potvin are that tunnel minded in their posts then they can both just click on ignore for me and not have to bloody well worry about it if they choose. Nothing like fixating on something in a post and riding on it rather then the topic at hand. I've been posting here for 7 or 8 years now i'm guessing offhand but i stopped posting as much after the crash partially because of people acting like this.

 

[Capn_Crunch]

...the thought of someone behind the bench who is mediocre at best... And at worst someone who isn't determined to at least figure out what the hell to do about our special teams issues

Well first off Wilson is a legit NHL level coach, personally I wouldn't describe him as mediocre from that perspective, and, obviously the pk is an issue but if you're going to point to special teams you are also talking about the pp which is 3rd best in the league.

Saying he isn't determined to figure out the special teams is poor on it's own, every coach is determined to do that, whether they succeed or not is another question.

By mediocre I meant that he isn't even a winning coach when you look at the wins and losses overall. There have been a few times like when he ripped into berger where he threw out the "I have 500 wins to my credit line" and i wanted to point out to him that he has more losses then wins. To me that's not a winning coach tbh. But thats just my opinion.

The PP working is a result of us having more talent now then we did for a few years but that aside the PK has been something that we have lived and sadly died more often then not by. The fact that even with new asst coaches that our PK sucks like it does is a big issue in my mind. You by and large don't win championships or even contend with having a crappy PK. Real teams will chew you up and spit you out, simple as that.

With the personnel changes on the roster, the coaching staff and yet we still don't have any headway on the problem it leads me to believe that you have to finally look up the foodchain and hold RW accountable. He talks a big game about accountability as does BB but little gets done when it comes to walking the walk. Hard to ask things of others when you simply don't hold yourself to the same standards.

 

[The Red Polar Bear]

hah.

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/26/brian-burke-and-ron-wilson-loving-messing-with-us/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

You have to give it up to the Maple Leafs ? their ability to work the local media into a lather is genius.

Yesterday, both Leafs GM Brian Burke and coach Ron Wilson hit Twitter to announce that Wilson was given a contract extension to stay bench boss of the Leafs. This came just a day after they went back and forth chattering about how Wilson was asking Santa Claus for an extension to stay in Toronto.

Today, Wilson fessed up that he actually signed the extension with the team three to four weeks ago and that he was given the freedom to announce it when he wanted to.

 

[maplesyrup]

Oh boy. Ink-stained wretches unite. Can't wait to read about the evilness of this all.  :

 

[Tigger]

...the thought of someone behind the bench who is mediocre at best... And at worst someone who isn't determined to at least figure out what the hell to do about our special teams issues

Well first off Wilson is a legit NHL level coach, personally I wouldn't describe him as mediocre from that perspective, and, obviously the pk is an issue but if you're going to point to special teams you are also talking about the pp which is 3rd best in the league.

Saying he isn't determined to figure out the special teams is poor on it's own, every coach is determined to do that, whether they succeed or not is another question.

By mediocre I meant that he isn't even a winning coach when you look at the wins and losses overall. There have been a few times like when he ripped into berger where he threw out the "I have 500 wins to my credit line" and i wanted to point out to him that he has more losses then wins. To me that's not a winning coach tbh. But thats just my opinion.

The PP working is a result of us having more talent now then we did for a few years but that aside the PK has been something that we have lived and sadly died more often then not by. The fact that even with new asst coaches that our PK sucks like it does is a big issue in my mind. You by and large don't win championships or even contend with having a crappy PK. Real teams will chew you up and spit you out, simple as that.

With the personnel changes on the roster, the coaching staff and yet we still don't have any headway on the problem it leads me to believe that you have to finally look up the foodchain and hold RW accountable. He talks a big game about accountability as does BB but little gets done when it comes to walking the walk. Hard to ask things of others when you simply don't hold yourself to the same standards.

Right, so no coaching credit on one hand but total responsibility on the other. The talent of the pk is commensurate with the pp? Hmm.

 

[Tigger]

Oh boy. Ink-stained wretches unite. Can't wait to read about the evilness of this all.  :

Lie of omission...

 

[cw]

NBC: Brian Burke says Ron Wilson is a ?Hall of Fame coach?

Audio link

Burke declined to reveal terms. Burke felt Wilson needed "a whip and a chair" (for taming the lion in the cage) .

 

[Bullfrog]

With that cleared up, I honestly don't see how anybody can even be upset with it really. If Wilson misses the playoffs again he'll probably still be fired, and MLSE can easily afford that. And he's not, then go ahead and freak out. But all this does is give the dressing room a little stability.

Yeah. All it really does is remove the whole "lame duck" thing from the situation. It gives Wilson a bit of a safety net, but, doesn't really provide with any job security whatsoever. Really, it just gives him a little more breathing room so he doesn't have to constantly feel like he's fighting for his job.

I like it. It gives him and his coaching team a chance to see what they can do with an actual NHL lineup. The team has not been great, and it's been mostly because of the quality of the players, in my opinion.

And maybe it gives them an extra year to see if Cronin and Gordon are suitable replacements should the need arise.

 

[bustaheims]

I like it. It gives him and his coaching team a chance to see what they can do with an actual NHL lineup. The team has not been great, and it's been mostly because of the quality of the players, in my opinion.

I agree. Looking back at his 3+ seasons with the Leafs, the only one that I really consider to be somewhat of a failure was last season, when I thought the Leafs should have been in the playoff hunt the whole way through (and, really, it wasn't coaching that let them down, it was goaltending). I mean, we all knew his first season here was a write-off - the team was freshly stripped down by Fletcher in preparation for Burke. Even his 2nd year here, no one should have expected much of the Leafs - they should have been better than 29th overall, sure, but, again, it was goaltending that let them down more than anything else. This is the first year he's had decent goaltending from the get-go, which really makes it the first time there isn't a major on-ice culprit to explain whatever failures may end up plaguing this team by the end of the season.

 

[Hank Yarbo]

Merry effin Xmas BB.... thanks for putting a damper on it.

Hey, really sorry you have to deal with something like this on Xmas.  It would be tough on any day of the year, but especially on Xmas. 

I really hope you're able to make it through this, we'll all be thinking of you.

If I can't express my opinion without you being a sarcastic ass then you can kiss mine. If I was going to get news of the hockey variety today I would have preferred for it to be good news or at least something that made me smile not cringe at the thought of someone behind the bench who is mediocre at best... And at worst someone who isn't determined to at least figure out what the hell to do about our special teams issues that have been one of our biggest downfalls during his tenure. Don't mistake my post count for me being a casual visitor... I've simply been too busy to post on a reg basis since the db crash.

Just hoping you can exercise some perspective on the contract extension of a hockey coach, so that it doesn't 'put a damper' on what is, presumably and hopefully, time that should be happy with family and friends.

I agree with Potvin on this one. If this news ruined Christmas thats pretty sad.

Well it royally f***** up my Festivus. I was in the middle of the feats of strength with Aunt Edna when the news came in and I got so upset she was able to pin me. 

 

[Optimus Reimer]

If we look at the players that were on the team when Wilson started as coach, to the players he currently has, there is a marked improvement in player talent, skill and ability.  Could any team win when the starting goalies were Raycrap or Toskala, and with forwards such as Blake and Mitchell?  I do not fault RW for his record up to the end of last season, but rather the players that RW was handed.

What I would like to see now is for the players to play better knowing their coach has an extra season.  The onus to make the playoffs will rest on the players.  However, if the team plays crappy the rest of the way, I could see RW being gassed by the end of the season.  With a decent talented team, the expectation should be to make the playoffs and win at least one round, and not to be golfing in May. 

 

[Derk]

I found this whole situation rather amusing.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

If we look at the players that were on the team when Wilson started as coach, to the players he currently has, there is a marked improvement in player talent, skill and ability.  Could any team win when the starting goalies were Raycrap or Toskala, and with forwards such as Blake and Mitchell?  I do not fault RW for his record up to the end of last season, but rather the players that RW was handed.

What I would like to see now is for the players to play better knowing their coach has an extra season.  The onus to make the playoffs will rest on the players.  However, if the team plays crappy the rest of the way, I could see RW being gassed by the end of the season.  With a decent talented team, the expectation should be to make the playoffs and win at least one round, and not to be golfing in May.

Pretty much agree with all of this.

 

[Kin]

With that cleared up, I honestly don't see how anybody can even be upset with it really. If Wilson misses the playoffs again he'll probably still be fired, and MLSE can easily afford that. And he's not, then go ahead and freak out. But all this does is give the dressing room a little stability.

That's trying to have your cake and eat it too, though. The reality is that it doesn't really give the dressing room any stability for the very reasons you mention. Players(or their agents anyway) can look at this deal exactly the same way you can. I really do think it all boils down to whether or not you feel the job Wilson's done warrants that extra security. I don't think there's a right or a wrong there but I absolutely could see either side.

That said, I have to admire Burke's courage in giving this extension. It paints the target on his own back.