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TOP 5 PICK!!!

Alson

Corey Pronman ‏@coreypronman
Dumba, Rielly, Murray interchangeable to me. RT @TheTwanMan: @coreypronman Dumba over Murray? Or just indifferent on D position?

Which would validate the like for Dumba that a couple of us have should the forward(s) that Burke likes go top 4.
 
SGT said:
Alson

Corey Pronman ‏@coreypronman
Dumba, Rielly, Murray interchangeable to me. RT @TheTwanMan: @coreypronman Dumba over Murray? Or just indifferent on D position?

Which would validate the like for Dumba that a couple of us have should the forward(s) that Burke likes go top 4.
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I'd still say that's almost certainly the minority opinion. Dumba/Rielly/Trouba/Reinhart seem to be interchangeable in terms of rankings, but, like 90% of reports have Murray out in front of that pack.
 
SGT said:
I'd say so too but I question now whether there's a significant gap.
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Based on the consistency of Murray being ranked in the top 5 and the inconsistency of the placement and order of the other 4, I'd say the general opinion is that there is.
 
Again, I'm not so sure. I mean, outside of Yakupov, #2 to #8,#9,#10 may be to a degree, all rather interchangeable in this one. - At least that's what I'm taking away from this.
 
 
SGT said:
Again, I'm not so sure. I mean, outside of Yakupov, #2 to #8,#9,#10 may be to a degree, all rather interchangeable in this one. - At least that's what I'm taking away from this.
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I don't agree. I think maybe you're putting too much emphasis on Pronman's opinion, when the majority is saying otherwise. The top 4 prospects seem to be pretty set in Yakupov, Murray, Forsberg and Galchenyuk. Grigorenko is usually among them, though some concerns about him heading to the KHL and some over-stated issues about his work ethic have cause him to fluctuate a little. Most still have him as a top 5 talent in this draft, though. It's from 6 to 12 where there seems to be little to no consensus of who should fall where. Basically, what I've gotten out of various reports about this draft is there's 3 tiers at the top. 1. Yakupov. 2. Forsberg, Galcheyuk, Grigorenko, Murray. 3. Dumba, Trouba, Rielly, Reinhart, Teraveinan, Faksa, Ceci, Maatta and a few others.
 
I guess that's kind of in line of what I'm reading too. I'm just no as sure that the gap between tier 2 and 3 is as much as the gap between tier 1 and 2. Or maybe the tiers should be listed as follows;

1. Yakupov
2. Forsberg, Galchenyuk, Grigorenko, Murray, Dumba, Teraveinan.
3. Trouba, Rielly, Reinhart, Faksa, Ceci, Maatta, etc...

Edit: The more I think about it I have to say this is the most likely because to be honest, I would not be shocked to see one of Dumba or Teraveinan go in the top 5.

   
 
SGT said:
I guess that's kind of in line of what I'm reading too. I'm just no as sure that the gap between tier 2 and 3 is as much as the gap between tier 1 and 2. Or maybe the tiers should be listed as follows;

1. Yakupov
2. Forsberg, Galchenyuk, Grigorenko, Murray, Dumba, Teraveinan.
3. Trouba, Rielly, Reinhart, Faksa, Ceci, Maatta, etc...

Edit: The more I think about it I have to say this is the most likely because to be honest, I would not be shocked to see one of Dumba or Teraveinan go in the top 5.
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That's a good breakdown and to me it's kinda exciting.  I think we should get a good prospect no matter what happens in the top 4.
 
McKenzie said something like, "...if teams are willing to buy the ankle injury and mono excuses for his poor play...", how do teams not take those things like mono in consideration? It was a freak "injury" that would have had him playing well below his highest level, and he still had a decent performance in the playoffs.
 
Of note, McKenzie had Dumba at 6 and Teraveinan at 7 so like I said, I wouldn't be surprised to see one of those guys go top 5... Reinhart in the top 5 kind of surprised me. 
 
CarltonTheBear said:
McKenzie said something like, "...if teams are willing to buy the ankle injury and mono excuses for his poor play...", how do teams not take those things like mono in consideration? It was a freak "injury" that would have had him playing well below his highest level, and he still had a decent performance in the playoffs.
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I get the feeling some people are using the injuries to mask using the fact that he's Russian and KHL teams will be after him, so they're dropping him in their rankings. He's a top 5 talent. No question.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
McKenzie said something like, "...if teams are willing to buy the ankle injury and mono excuses for his poor play...", how do teams not take those things like mono in consideration? It was a freak "injury" that would have had him playing well below his highest level, and he still had a decent performance in the playoffs.
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Yeah, as I said the other day, if he's there at 5 and we don't take him, I'd need a truck load of convincing that decision was a wise one.
 
SGT said:
CarltonTheBear said:
McKenzie said something like, "...if teams are willing to buy the ankle injury and mono excuses for his poor play...", how do teams not take those things like mono in consideration? It was a freak "injury" that would have had him playing well below his highest level, and he still had a decent performance in the playoffs.
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Yeah, as I said the other day, if he's there at 5 and we don't take him, I'd need a truck load of convincing that decision was a wise one.
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Well it seems quite likely that will be the case unless we trade up.
 
Bob McKenzie's draft lists are usually based on surveys of NHL scouts. I recall that his lists have been fairly accurate over the years as for the approximate location of where players get drafted.
 
SGT said:
Of note, McKenzie had Dumba at 6 and Teraveinan at 7 so like I said, I wouldn't be surprised to see one of those guys go top 5... Reinhart in the top 5 kind of surprised me.
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In reference to our earlier conversation, he also says Murray is the consensus #2 prospect and that one of the 10 scouts he surveyed had him at #1, which, to me says there's a significant enough gap between him and the rest of the defencemen, despite what Pronman believes.
 
bustaheims said:
SGT said:
Of note, McKenzie had Dumba at 6 and Teraveinan at 7 so like I said, I wouldn't be surprised to see one of those guys go top 5... Reinhart in the top 5 kind of surprised me.
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In reference to our earlier conversation, he also says Murray is the consensus #2 prospect and that one of the 10 scouts he surveyed had him at #1, which, to me says there's a significant enough gap between him and the rest of the defencemen, despite what Pronman believes.
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He's also said it's a "volatile, unpredictable draft where even in the top five or top ten, there's substantial variance of opinion from team to team" and "it could be all over the map from the early going" said another scout. So, honestly, as I suggested, I'm not so sure it would be fair ball for anyone here to say there are "significant gaps" anywhere in this top ten (or so) outside of Yakupov at one.
 
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