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Trade Deadline

CarltonTheBear said:
Nik the Trik said:
Well A) Rielly was a top 5 pick and B) that "big impact" was scoring 27 points as a sheltered #6 defenseman on a bad team.

Yeah if we're using Rielly as the template for when Liljegren can be reliable upon to be a capable top pairing defenceman who plays against the other teams top opposition then Timmy is still 4 years away. That's 4 years of Matthews/Nylander/Marner's prime.

That's not what I said.
 
Coco-puffs said:
Yeah, he immediately came to mind but you are right- not many others have managed great feats by their age 20 season. 

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Interesting the number of guys on that list who haven't exactly had stellar careers either.

Yeah, and a lot of those guys are draft +3(Phaneuf, OEL, Karlsson, etc)
 
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
Would anybody even being talking about McDonagh as the "solution" if he weren't available?  I don't think so.

I'm not sure what this means. We're talking about him as the solution because he is available, yes. Alex Pietrangelo would also be the solution but he's not available so we're not talking about him.
 
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:

For me that's sort of stretching the definition of "big impact" but sure. We're still talking about a number of guys you could count on one hand, most of them being drafted significantly higher than Liljegren went.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
Would anybody even being talking about McDonagh as the "solution" if he weren't available?  I don't think so.

I'm not sure what this means. We're talking about him as the solution because he is available, yes. Alex Pietrangelo would also be the solution but he's not available so we're not talking about him.

What I'm getting at is that there tends to be a bit of euphoria at the deadline amongst us here in the f-base which leads to thinking that whoever is out there and available suddenly becomes the best solution that we have to grab now.  It leads to shattenkirkosis and other death-dealing maladies.

I'm sorry, but I just don't see Ryan McDonagh as some kind of savior that we need to part with significant prospects/picks for at this point in the Shanaplan.
 
Nik the Trik said:
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:

For me that's sort of stretching the definition of "big impact" but sure. We're still talking about a number of guys you could count on one hand, most of them being drafted significantly higher than Liljegren went.

But it COULD happen, right?  You can't absolutely rule it out, so therefore I'm right.
 
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
But it COULD happen, right?  You can't absolutely rule it out, so therefore I'm right.

There is absolutely no precedent for a defenseman picked outside of the top 10 having a season like that so...I'm going to rule no.
 
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
I'm sorry, but I just don't see Ryan McDonagh as some kind of savior that we need to part with significant prospects/picks for at this point in the Shanaplan.

He's a #1 defenceman who is only 28 years old and is signed to a reasonable cap hit for the next two playoff runs. He's solid defensively and he scores a very good amount at 5-on-5. He can skate. He's experienced. He's played a top pairing shutdown role for years. He has leadership qualities. This isn't Kevin Shattenkirk. He's basically the perfect compliment for Rielly on the top pairing. It'd be a bonus if he was right handed but that's hardly the end of the world.
 
Nik the Trik said:
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
But it COULD happen, right?  You can't absolutely rule it out, so therefore I'm right.

There is absolutely no precedent for a defenseman picked outside of the top 10 having a season like that so...I'm going to rule no.

Precedent isn't destiny.  However, having said that I realize that bookmaking is a reliable industry so you are certainly entitled to your opinion here.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
I'm sorry, but I just don't see Ryan McDonagh as some kind of savior that we need to part with significant prospects/picks for at this point in the Shanaplan.

He's a #1 defenceman who is only 28 years old and is signed to a reasonable cap hit for the next two playoff runs. He's solid defensively and he scores a very good amount at 5-on-5. He can skate. He's experienced. He's played a top pairing shutdown role for years. He has leadership qualities. This isn't Kevin Shattenkirk. He's basically the perfect compliment for Rielly on the top pairing. It'd be a bonus if he was right handed but that's hardly the end of the world.

So McDonagh is your dream come true?  OK then, but I think it's better to wait.
 
Can someone put Liljegren in a time machine and give him 5 years NHL experience and send him back to us? That would solve a lot of our problems. Please and thank you.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
I'm sorry, but I just don't see Ryan McDonagh as some kind of savior that we need to part with significant prospects/picks for at this point in the Shanaplan.

He's a #1 defenceman who is only 28 years old and is signed to a reasonable cap hit for the next two playoff runs. He's solid defensively and he scores a very good amount at 5-on-5. He can skate. He's experienced. He's played a top pairing shutdown role for years. He has leadership qualities. This isn't Kevin Shattenkirk. He's basically the perfect compliment for Rielly on the top pairing. It'd be a bonus if he was right handed but that's hardly the end of the world.

Do we know if he can play the right side effectively?
 
Frank E said:
Do we know if he can play the right side effectively?

He's played mostly with right-handed defencemen with the Rangers so I don't think he's ever really had a stretch of games where he's had to. I'm pretty comfortable with Rielly playing on the right side though.
 
Nik the Trik said:
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
Precedent isn't destiny.

Then, heck, why limit it to Liljegren? We may be talking about Fedor Gordeev's Norris season next year.

Good point, but it will be dwarfed by the afterglow of our 16-0 march to the Cup.
 
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
So McDonagh is your dream come true?  OK then, but I think it's better to wait.

While I'm as cautious as anyone when it comes to trades, with this kind of perspective, you're basically going to be waiting forever. The "dream come true" defenceman isn't going to become available at a price that is palatable - quite likely what the team will have to give up to get him will hurt as much or more than that player will help. They're either going to come with an acquisition cost that is unpalatable or they'll demand a cap hit that causes other significant issues. McDonagh is basically at the upper limit of what will be available at a reasonable/manageable acquisition cost.
 
Bender said:
So what is everyone ok to give up for McDonagh?

I mentioned this a couple of pages back, but LeBrun and Custace have both said that the return would probably be similar to what the Rangers gave up when they acquired Keith Yandle a few years ago, that was:

Keith Yandle, Chris Summers and round 4 pick in the 2016 draft (Tarmo Reunanen) to New York Rangers for Anthony Duclair, John Moore, round 2 pick in the 2015 draft (Oliver Kylington) and round 1 pick in the 2016 draft (Dennis Cholowski)

So to me the Leafs equivalent would be something like Kapanen/Brown, Borgman/Carrick/Rosen, 2nd round pick, 1st round pick

Might need a little more to seal the deal but I'd be comfortable with something like that.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Bender said:
So what is everyone ok to give up for McDonagh?

I mentioned this a couple of pages back, but LeBrun and Custace have both said that the return would probably be similar to what the Rangers gave up when they acquired Keith Yandle a few years ago, that was:

Keith Yandle, Chris Summers and round 4 pick in the 2016 draft (Tarmo Reunanen) to New York Rangers for Anthony Duclair, John Moore, round 2 pick in the 2015 draft (Oliver Kylington) and round 1 pick in the 2016 draft (Dennis Cholowski)

So to me the Leafs equivalent would be something like Kapanen/Brown, Borgman/Carrick/Rosen, 2nd round pick, 1st round pick

Might need a little more to seal the deal but I'd be comfortable with something like that.
If that deal were on the table, who would you rather part with...Kapanen or Brown? I see Kapanen as having higher upside (and he's younger) so that's probably who I'd want if I were the Rangers. Brown is more established but isn't as fast or as good with the puck. Has a nose for the net though.
 

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