Unofficial 2012/2013 Armchair GM

[princedpw]

DEFENSEMEN
Dion Phaneuf ($6.500m) /  up to $8 MIL dman

Our best chance at that kind of defenseman was Bouwmeester and we didn't take it.  I see no way to get that #1 or #2 defenseman.  Teams that have them don't want to give them up.

 

[TML fan]

With MacT talking about impatience, perhaps he dips into one of his youngsters to address some issues.

Don't know if he would be one available, but hypothetically, would you trade Gardiner + for Eberle?

I would, but I don't think Gardiner addresses their needs in relation to MacTavish's impatience.

I actually found his comments interesting. The Oilers do have a significant veteran presence up front in Horcoff, Smyth, Hemsky and Belanger. Perhaps he is mostly looking for a stabilizing veteran on the back end, one who can eat big minutes and play a steady, reliable game?

There certainly is an opportunity for a team or teams to make some big moves with the Oilers. Unfortunately, I don't think the Leafs are good trading partners in terms of what the Oilers need and what the Leafs can afford to give up.

 

[Britishbulldog]

My Knee Jerk reaction update after watching the last few games...

Forwards
Bozak  $4.0 x 5 years (more than Desharnais' $3.5 MIL contract)
Kessel  $6.0$7.0 x 8 years (Signed this summer as a 2014 extension - NO Lupul style discount)
Kadri  $3.5 $2.5 x 2 years (he's good but not as good as Colorado's Duchene)
Komarov  $0.8 x 2 years
McLaren $0.7 x 3 years (more than McGratton)
Orr  $0.7 x 2 years (hoping to see Intimidation IQ but haven't. Other teams seem more annoyed with Orr than scared)
Kulemin  $2.8 x 3 years (2014)
Frattin  $1.2 x 2 years  (2014)
McClement $2.2 x 3 years (2014)

Defense
Gunnarsson  $1.5 x 3 years

I have been VERY unimpressed with Gardiner this year but figured I wasn't seeing what others were but since he has been called back up he has played like he is still in the AHL both in attempted plays and speed.  He has NOT re-adjusted to the calibre of the NHL at all. 


3rd line LW UFA :Either Bickell, Stalberg or Ryan 'The Beast' Clowe would be who I would target.  Hopefully one of them would sign at $2.5 - $3.0 MIL on a 4 year contract. With $12 MIL is cap room the Leafs could go as high as $4.0 MIL

Trade Bait for top pairing dman:
Grabovski, Gunnarsson, Gardiner or Liles, probably any of the Marlies forward and defenceman (except Junior aged Reilly).

I would love to see if Colborne could anchor a 3rd line and use Komarov and McClement with a goon on the 4th line but I am just as OK with McClement centering the 3rd line and Komarov centering the 4th line.

 

[Britishbulldog]

DEFENSEMEN
Dion Phaneuf ($6.500m) /  up to $8 MIL dman

Our best chance at that kind of defenseman was Bouwmeester and we didn't take it.  I see no way to get that #1 or #2 defenseman.  Teams that have them don't want to give them up.

There is one RH dman that I was suggesting with that post.

I don't know if Busta or cw or someone would know if in a trade a team can retain cap hit but NOT salary?

Capgeek has this:
"RETAINED SALARY TRANSACTIONS
      Teams can retain a percentage of a contract?s remaining cap hit, salary and bonuses in trades. The following stipulations apply:
- No more than 50 % of the salary/cap hit can be retained
- Salary/cap hit cannot be retained on more than three contracts in one season
- The aggregate cap hits retained cannot exceed 15 % of the upper limit
- A contract can be traded only twice where salary/cap hit is retained"

If salary and cap hit are NOT joined then it allows a rich team, like Toronto for instance, pick up a front loaded contract from a poorer team, like Nashville, and pay the full salary for a player like Weber who is being paid $80 MIL for his 1st 6 years but have Nashville keep $2 MIL of the cap hit which would help Nashville keep above the floor (which is only 3.33% of the 15% allowed).

...or are salary and cap hit linked so that if Nashville keeps $2 MIL of the cap hit do they need to pay $2 MIL in salary as well?  It is unclear to me.

 

[bustaheims]

I don't know if Busta or cw or someone would know if in a trade a team can retain cap hit but NOT salary?

No. you take a fixed percentage of each. If, say, you take 50% of the remaining cap hit, you're also responsible for 50% of the remaining salary.

 

[Britishbulldog]

I don't know if Busta or cw or someone would know if in a trade a team can retain cap hit but NOT salary?

No. you take a fixed percentage of each. If, say, you take 50% of the remaining cap hit, you're also responsible for 50% of the remaining salary.

So using Weber as an example since his cap hit and salary are never the same, if Nashville was willing to pay $1 MIL a year on the contract which is 12.73% of Weber's contract fitting under the 50% limit, Toronto could trade for him and be on the hook this year for $13 MIL of Weber's salary and $6.857 MIL of his cap hit.  Then in year 2023-2026 Toronto would have no salary costs since Weber's salary would be $1 MIL and Toronto would have a $6.857 MIL cap hit still.

....or would Nashville be on the hook for 12.73% of Weber's salary AND cap hit meaning next year Nashville would have to pay $1.78 MIL and the final year of Weber's contract Nashville would have to pay $127,300 of Weber's contract?

 

[bustaheims]

....or would Nashville be on the hook for 12.73% of Weber's salary AND cap hit meaning next year Nashville would have to pay $1.78 MIL and the final year of Weber's contract Nashville would have to pay $127,300 of Weber's contract?

This one.

 

[Britishbulldog]

....or would Nashville be on the hook for 12.73% of Weber's salary AND cap hit meaning next year Nashville would have to pay $1.78 MIL and the final year of Weber's contract Nashville would have to pay $127,300 of Weber's contract?

This one.

Thanks busta....you da man!

 

[losveratos]

....or would Nashville be on the hook for 12.73% of Weber's salary AND cap hit meaning next year Nashville would have to pay $1.78 MIL and the final year of Weber's contract Nashville would have to pay $127,300 of Weber's contract?

This one.

I thought that you can only retain the Salary for a certain number of years also. So I'm not sure if you'd need to think about the end of that huge contract.

 

[bustaheims]

I thought that you can only retain the Salary for a certain number of years also. So I'm not sure if you'd need to think about the end of that huge contract.

It's for the entire remainder of the contract or nothing. There are no options of limiting the length of the commitment here.

 

[Rebel_1812]

I'm terrified that we overpay for Clarkson and he never comes close to 30 goals again though. I'd be fine with signing him as a 3rd line player for 3rd line money, but he's probably looking for $5mil now.

I think in fairness you sign him for second line money.  Say, split the difference and be in the $4M range?  I think you can reasonably count of 20 goals, and that would look really good on the second line.

Isn't that what the leafs did with Colby Armstrong? 

 

[sneakyray]

so what will it take to sign clarkson?  will he come home to TO for 3 years 12-14 mil?

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Why is everyone so set on signing Clarkson?

 

[sneakyray]

Why is everyone so set on signing Clarkson?

he can hit, score and fight...and hes from toronto.

whats not to like?

 

[bustaheims]

Why is everyone so set on signing Clarkson?

he can hit, score and fight...and hes from toronto.

whats not to like?

The likely price tag for a guy who really doesn't have a track record of success.

 

[Omallley]

Why is everyone so set on signing Clarkson?

he can hit, score and fight...and hes from toronto.

whats not to like?

A 5M/year salary?

My guess is he's going to get PAID this summer, but who knows - maybe the falling cap prevents stupidity (not holding my breath though).

 

[leafplasma]

Why is everyone so set on signing Clarkson?

he can hit, score and fight...and hes from toronto.

whats not to like?

A 5M/year salary?

My guess is he's going to get PAID this summer, but who knows - maybe the falling cap prevents stupidity (not holding my breath though).

I think at some point the falling cap will hopefully have some effect on these salaries.  We haven't seen that really yet in some of the extensions.

 

[princedpw]

Why is everyone so set on signing Clarkson?

he can hit, score and fight...and hes from toronto.

whats not to like?

A 5M/year salary?

My guess is he's going to get PAID this summer, but who knows - maybe the falling cap prevents stupidity (not holding my breath though).

I also think the team has a lot of decent wingers.  What we really need is a top center and Dman. 

 

[sneakyray]

Why is everyone so set on signing Clarkson?

he can hit, score and fight...and hes from toronto.

whats not to like?

A 5M/year salary?

My guess is he's going to get PAID this summer, but who knows - maybe the falling cap prevents stupidity (not holding my breath though).

well, I do think that 5mil per is an overpayment.  The leafs are paying grabovski 5.5 mil and hes apparently been sick for like 2 years.

oh well, maybe Nonis is smarter than burke (or at least more conservative with his cap dollars)

 

[sneakyray]

Why is everyone so set on signing Clarkson?

he can hit, score and fight...and hes from toronto.

whats not to like?

A 5M/year salary?

My guess is he's going to get PAID this summer, but who knows - maybe the falling cap prevents stupidity (not holding my breath though).

I also think the team has a lot of decent wingers.  What we really need is a top center and Dman.

I was just looking at what will potentially be available this summer and clarkson is the only guy I am interested in, at least as an impact sort of signing.

The Dman list of ufas is awful and the centre's are not much better.

edit: maybe there will be some interesting options for players that get bought out though.