Wayne Simmonds incidents

[maplesyrup]

Brian Burke weighs in:

Burke: "It's got to stop."

"If that happened, that is just so embarrassing and the league should not tolerate it," Burke said. "That should be treated on the same level as a racially charged incident. It's the same level of offensiveness and inappropriateness."
...
"I stopped. It's possible to stop and the league should definitely feel the need to use discipline in fines or suspensions."

Burke also did say though IIRC (paraphrasing) that he doesn't believe the word/slurs (used in a heated exchange during a hockey game) is/are necessarily a reflection of the player's views. Is it wrong? Yes. Offensive to most? Yes. A suspendable offense? I'm not so sure. Perhaps the NHL equivalent of washing the guy's mouth out with soap would be to fine him.

 

[Deebo]

Brian Burke weighs in:

Burke: "It's got to stop."

"If that happened, that is just so embarrassing and the league should not tolerate it," Burke said. "That should be treated on the same level as a racially charged incident. It's the same level of offensiveness and inappropriateness."
...
"I stopped. It's possible to stop and the league should definitely feel the need to use discipline in fines or suspensions."

Burke also did say though IIRC (paraphrasing) that he doesn't believe the word/slurs (used in a heated exchange during a hockey game) is/are necessarily a reflection of the player's views. Is it wrong? Yes. Offensive to most? Yes. A suspendable offense? I'm not so sure. Perhaps the NHL equivalent of washing the guy's mouth out with soap would be to fine him.

The only problem with fining is $2500 is the maximum under the CBA.

 

[maplesyrup]

Brian Burke weighs in:

Burke: "It's got to stop."

"If that happened, that is just so embarrassing and the league should not tolerate it," Burke said. "That should be treated on the same level as a racially charged incident. It's the same level of offensiveness and inappropriateness."
...
"I stopped. It's possible to stop and the league should definitely feel the need to use discipline in fines or suspensions."

Burke also did say though IIRC (paraphrasing) that he doesn't believe the word/slurs (used in a heated exchange during a hockey game) is/are necessarily a reflection of the player's views. Is it wrong? Yes. Offensive to most? Yes. A suspendable offense? I'm not so sure. Perhaps the NHL equivalent of washing the guy's mouth out with soap would be to fine him.

The only problem with fining is $2500 is the maximum under the CBA.

Well, like I said that's pretty much a soap wash and all I think this probably deserves. Now, if he says it twice in the same exchange, can the league fine $5000? What about in the same game twice?

 

[Number 5]

They would fine based on the incident, not how many times it was said.

 

[maplesyrup]

Yeah, that would be my feeling too. Perhaps the NHL sould meet with the PA to re-work the max. fine depending on the situation but really, I'm not sure we need to come down harder on these guys then that given almost all of these are in the heat of physical combat.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Speaking of which, has anyone seen that video on youtube with Bryan Trottier (and I forget who else) on the North Stars just giving it to another player from the bench?

If you look for it, beware: the language is extremely offensive.

That would be Kevin Stevens with Trottier giving it to Brian Bellows.

I remember that!

See my post above.......

 

[Number 5]

Speaking of which, has anyone seen that video on youtube with Bryan Trottier (and I forget who else) on the North Stars just giving it to another player from the bench?

If you look for it, beware: the language is extremely offensive.

That would be Kevin Stevens with Trottier giving it to Brian Bellows.

I remember that!

See my post above.......

I don't remember that one.

 

[Stronger Than All]

Speaking of which, has anyone seen that video on youtube with Bryan Trottier (and I forget who else) on the North Stars just giving it to another player from the bench?

If you look for it, beware: the language is extremely offensive.

That would be Kevin Stevens with Trottier giving it to Brian Bellows.

I remember that!

See my post above.......

Someone also made a "history will be made" parody of that.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Someone's been charged...

LONDON, ONT.? Police have charged a 26-year-old man over an apparent racial incident in which a banana was thrown on the ice at a black player during an NHL pre-season game.

Police say Chris Moorhouse of London, Ont., has been served a summons for engaging in a prohibited activity under the provincial trespassing act.

If convicted, he faces a fine of up to $2,000.

The incident occurred last Thursday during the Philadelphia Flyers? 4-3 exhibition win over the Detroit Red Wings.

http://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/nhl/article/1061091--man-charged-in-banana-throwing-incident-at-nhl-game?bn=1

 

[Scot4bz]

Someone's been charged...

LONDON, ONT.? Police have charged a 26-year-old man over an apparent racial incident in which a banana was thrown on the ice at a black player during an NHL pre-season game.

Police say Chris Moorhouse of London, Ont., has been served a summons for engaging in a prohibited activity under the provincial trespassing act.

If convicted, he faces a fine of up to $2,000.

The incident occurred last Thursday during the Philadelphia Flyers? 4-3 exhibition win over the Detroit Red Wings.

http://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/nhl/article/1061091--man-charged-in-banana-throwing-incident-at-nhl-game?bn=1

Wonder if they'll serve him banana bread in jail?

 

[Fanatic]

How can anyone prove why he threw the banana? Regardless of how it looks, how is this anything more than littering?

 

[maplesyrup]

How can anyone prove why he threw the banana? Regardless of how it looks, how is this anything more than littering?

Well apart from the racial connotations, there's potential for a player to get hurt.

 

[Fanatic]

How can anyone prove why he threw the banana? Regardless of how it looks, how is this anything more than littering?

Well apart from the racial connotations, there's potential for a player to get hurt.

The guy can come back and say that he threw it a long way away from the player with the intent to distract him and nothing more. No one can prove that it was racially motivated (unless the guy said so to others around him as he did it) and no one can prove that he intended harm to Simmonds.

 

[Kin]

Burke also did say though IIRC (paraphrasing) that he doesn't believe the word/slurs (used in a heated exchange during a hockey game) is/are necessarily a reflection of the player's views. Is it wrong? Yes. Offensive to most? Yes. A suspendable offense? I'm not so sure. Perhaps the NHL equivalent of washing the guy's mouth out with soap would be to fine him.

The NHL: Leaving the moral high ground to Sean Avery and the NBA.

 

[maplesyrup]

How can anyone prove why he threw the banana? Regardless of how it looks, how is this anything more than littering?

Well apart from the racial connotations, there's potential for a player to get hurt.

The guy can come back and say that he threw it a long way away from the player with the intent to distract him and nothing more. No one can prove that it was racially motivated (unless the guy said so to others around him as he did it) and no one can prove that he intended harm to Simmonds.

I'm no legal expert but I'm pretty comfortable with the feeling that there isn't a lawyer on the planet that could get him off a charge based on player safety regadless of his intent.

 

[Kin]

I'm no legal expert but I'm pretty comfortable with the feeling that there isn't a lawyer on the planet that could get him off a charge based on player safety regadless of his intent.

I'm pretty sure it came up during last year's thing with the Waffles but throwing something on the ice is illegal in most places regardless of intent/proximity to a player/whatever.

The article makes it pretty clear what law he's being charged with. Why he threw it doesn't seem to be an issue.

 

[Deebo]

How can anyone prove why he threw the banana? Regardless of how it looks, how is this anything more than littering?

They don't have to prove it was racism.

I'm pretty sure that the term and conditions you agree to when you buy the ticket states that you cannot throw anything onto the ice, for whatever reason. And if you throw something onto the ice, the venue can choose to pursue legal action. Since it was a racist act, the JLC pressed charges, usually no charges are pressed by the venue if it was hats for a hat trick or an octopus in detriot.

 

[Manson]

How can anyone prove why he threw the banana? Regardless of how it looks, how is this anything more than littering?

They don't need to prove why he did it, they just need to prove he did it.  Whether they're charging him with mischief or trespassing or whatever, intent is irrelevant.

***oops, looks like others beat me to it.

 

[maplesyrup]

How can anyone prove why he threw the banana? Regardless of how it looks, how is this anything more than littering?

They don't have to prove it was racism.

I'm pretty sure that the term and conditions you agree to when you buy the ticket states that you cannot throw anything onto the ice, for whatever reason. And if you throw something onto the ice, the venue can choose to pursue legal action. Since it was a racist act, the JLC pressed charges, usually no charges are pressed by the venue if it was hats for a hat trick or an octopus in detriot.

Not that is matters from a legal perspective but I also think that once a trick is scored, the players/refs know hats might be coming and are watchful for it. This banana? Not at all.

 

[Corn Flake]

How can anyone prove why he threw the banana? Regardless of how it looks, how is this anything more than littering?

They don't have to prove it was racism.

I'm pretty sure that the term and conditions you agree to when you buy the ticket states that you cannot throw anything onto the ice, for whatever reason. And if you throw something onto the ice, the venue can choose to pursue legal action. Since it was a racist act, the JLC pressed charges, usually no charges are pressed by the venue if it was hats for a hat trick or an octopus in detriot.

I think to add to Fanatic's train of thought ..... maybe this guy gets charged with mischief or whatever but if people are looking for this guy to be tried and hung by the balls for racial hate crimes or something, they are going to be very disappointed.