L K said:
Why is that? I mean you would still need to deal with out clauses or permissions from owners but I want the best GM possible, not just the best GM who isn't currently employed at the moment.
Who should the next GM be? The next head coach?
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Why is that? I mean you would still need to deal with out clauses or permissions from owners but I want the best GM possible, not just the best GM who isn't currently employed at the moment.
bustaheims
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Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
Nope. And, as much as I get the desire for someone fresh and new, I think bringing in someone with experience but who hasn't been around since forever feels like the right balance - someone new enough that they're not super set in their ways, have a more modern approach to the game and players, etc., but experienced enough to know how to handle star players, the grind of an NHL season, and so on.
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bustaheims said:
Yeah, I wasn't banking on my suggestions knowing the corporations involved in this decision.
Carlton's suggestion of Garth Snow might be the one that lines up best. Treliving is ok, as he's still so fresh from the Calgary job he's still up to date on how the league plays these days.
Best case is to get an experienced 'face' GM who empowers those around him to do the footwork (Pridham - cap, Wickenheiser - dev, Clark - draft, coaching/strategy) and pull it all together cohesively. In any case, there is an opportunity here to re-model the roster make up (whether it means trading Marner or not), the playstyle, the mindset.
L K
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CarltonTheBear said:
I think I'm just thinking of it more from the media side of things. Doug Armstrong, Jim Nill. If there is legitimate interest from both parties sure. I just think there is a lot of media stuff right now throwing names out for the sake of throwing names. It's more an annoyance over page view journalism than not wanting the Leafs to go after the best candidate (mind you I still dislike them moving on from Dubas in the first place and would rather see a guy like Tulsky get the job).
L K said:
Yeah fair enough. I do think there is a notable difference between the at least potential availability of Armstrong and Nill though. Armstrong is in the middle of a 5-year contract extension that still has 3 seasons on it. There's simply no reason for the Blues to allow him to leave just because the Leafs came calling.
Nill signed a 1-year extension on his deal for the 23/24 season back in the 2022 offseason, so he's technically heading into a lame-duck season. I'm sure Dallas will talk to him about extending his contract further but if that doesn't happen or the interest doesn't seem mutual they're a lot more likely to allow him to leave at that point.
Significantly Insignificant said:
I think he's talking about Kyle Dubas.
bustaheims
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CarltonTheBear said:
I was thinking more about the coach than the GM.
dappleganger
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I'm kinda warming to a Gillis-Gilman tandem.
Guilt Trip
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You means Matthews? Marner isn't eligible until July 1 2024.Bullfrog said:
bustaheims
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Treliving really does seem like a pretty run-of-the-mill GM type - he'll do some good, some bad, and a lot in between. He won't likely screw things up terribly, but he also won't likely improve them significantly. If the team is just looking for someone as a steward, he's fine. But, teams are typically looking for more than that.
Also, when it comes to looking at a GM's drafting record, anything past the 1st round is probably giving them too much credit. From the 2nd round on, it's typically the head of the scouting staff making the determinations on who to draft. The GM will often set parameters or identify certain traits they want to prioritize, but they're rarely making the decisions on the names being called.
Also, when it comes to looking at a GM's drafting record, anything past the 1st round is probably giving them too much credit. From the 2nd round on, it's typically the head of the scouting staff making the determinations on who to draft. The GM will often set parameters or identify certain traits they want to prioritize, but they're rarely making the decisions on the names being called.
Guilt Trip
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Worse foe me but that goes for whoever is out there. I think they let the best guy go.RedLeaf said:
herman
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We could do a lot worse. And we had someone quite a bit better.
But Treliving's teams have generally fared about as well as Toronto, working with significantly lesser components (albeit in a weaker division) and pretty wishywashy stability. I think if Pridham remains and is listened to, most of Treliving's mistakes would be mitigated. What's up with those coaching choices, though?
Aside from all the great boss/person vibes, what we might miss most from Dubas is the longterm foresight and ability to maneuver within the confines and structure of the situation. He drew really good structural lines (see current cap sheet blocking off all the headroom for whatever Matthews/Nylander need), and then got very creative for the present day needs, and adjusting to all the injury curveballs. Pridham stands out for handling the mechanics of it all.
What we gain with Treliving is little to no personal attachment to the current roster. I know he would've done it eventually, but Dubas would've had a very hard time moving Muzzin, Murray, Simmonds before their best before dates.
But Treliving's teams have generally fared about as well as Toronto, working with significantly lesser components (albeit in a weaker division) and pretty wishywashy stability. I think if Pridham remains and is listened to, most of Treliving's mistakes would be mitigated. What's up with those coaching choices, though?
Aside from all the great boss/person vibes, what we might miss most from Dubas is the longterm foresight and ability to maneuver within the confines and structure of the situation. He drew really good structural lines (see current cap sheet blocking off all the headroom for whatever Matthews/Nylander need), and then got very creative for the present day needs, and adjusting to all the injury curveballs. Pridham stands out for handling the mechanics of it all.
What we gain with Treliving is little to no personal attachment to the current roster. I know he would've done it eventually, but Dubas would've had a very hard time moving Muzzin, Murray, Simmonds before their best before dates.
dappleganger
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There was a GM in the league that recently let one of their star players walk in free agency and traded his MVP-calibre player away after a trade demand. Maybe don't hire that guy.