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Who should the next GM be? The next head coach?

https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1662139640952897551
So these are Frank's expectations, not exactly who Shanahan is even interviewing, apart from Treliving who is already moreorless confirmed to have interviewed (Friedman 32T). These names are also mentioned as guesses by Friedman,

On the one hand: these are obvious people who have the recent experience of being a GM.
On the other: this list looks like someone feeding the media to make their already-determined mediocre choice look better.
 
So the Leafs had the best of the available GM's already working for them but let him go. Interesting move.

I mean, maybe Tulsky (if he's even available but he has been rumoured). Are Tulsky and Dubas the best "available" GM's currently?
 
Dappleganger said:
So the Leafs had the best of the available GM's already working for them but let him go. Interesting move.

I mean, maybe Tulsky (if he's even available but he has been rumoured). Are Tulsky and Dubas the best "available" GM's currently?
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Tulsky is the most similar to Dubas: young, progressive thinker, worked with a team that wears red/white. He comes to the same place from the other side of the coin, so to speak. By all accounts, he is a great collaborator and really good at communicating ideas. Apparently Toronto's drafting team is always a bit miffed that there is another team angling almost specifically for the same targets/player types, and most people believe Carolina is that team.

The primary difference, and likely the biggest reason he hasn't gotten a chance at sitting in the Big Chair yet is his lack of full hockey management experience. Where Dubas was a hockey lifer (the Soo Greyhounds) who took to analytics to try to gain an edge on a budget, Tulsky was a physics/chemistry nanotech researcher who parlayed his hockey hobby into a hockey analytics writing gig, and got scooped up by Carolina to head their analytics efforts. He got promoted to AGM under Wadell when Dundon purchased the team and has since interviewed for several recent openings.

Addendum: for someone to take a chance on Tulsky, they'd probably have to be well outside their contention window the way the Leafs were when Shanahan pulled in Dubas/Hunter/Lamoreillo.  If Dubas had played his hand a bit better, and perhaps if he wanted to go in that direction, there could've been a universe where Dubas is elevated to President of Hockey Ops, and he hires Tulsky to GM with Pridham in cap support to form the nerdiest hockey triumvirate:
Dubas: vision and organizational structure/behaviour
Tulsky: data and strategy
Pridham: cap and contracts
 
https://twitter.com/dalter/status/1663275885607174146

Missed this over the weekend. Apparently Friedman reported that the Leafs have at least been in contact with former Sharks GM Doug Wilson. Wilson stepped down from his position as GM at the end of the 21/22 season citing health issues (after being on medical leave for most of the season). Last month Friedman reported that he could be looking to get back into hockey.

Not sure if there's mutual interest there but of all the names mentioned for the job he'd probably be right at the top of my list (if not the very top).
 
Doug Wilson, Dean Lombardi, Mike Gillis. The Leafs should interview all of these candidates and others. If it takes a bit longer and fans get restless, so be it. It doesn't matter as long as the Leafs make the right choice, or at least a good choice.

But they do only have a bit longer, not a lot longer.
 
archie holdsworth said:
Doug Wilson, Dean Lombardi, Mike Gillis. The Leafs should interview all of these candidates and others. If it takes a bit longer and fans get restless, so be it. It doesn't matter as long as the Leafs make the right choice, or at least a good choice.

But they do only have a bit longer, not a lot longer.
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I'm getting slightly restless only because there's a part of me worried that they've just spent the last 10 days debating the pros and cons of Treliving. But if there's a wide range of worthwhile candidates they're legitimately considering, and especially if some of them aren't available to talk yet (like McPhee and/or Nill), then obviously the hold up is justified.

Ideally though having someone hired by this weekend would be great. That gives them about 4 weeks until the draft/free agency.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
archie holdsworth said:
Doug Wilson, Dean Lombardi, Mike Gillis. The Leafs should interview all of these candidates and others. If it takes a bit longer and fans get restless, so be it. It doesn't matter as long as the Leafs make the right choice, or at least a good choice.

But they do only have a bit longer, not a lot longer.
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I'm getting slightly restless only because there's a part of me worried that they've just spent the last 10 days debating the pros and cons of Treliving. But if there's a wide range of worthwhile candidates they're legitimately considering, and especially if some of them aren't available to talk yet (like McPhee and/or Nill), then obviously the hold up is justified.

Ideally though having someone hired by this weekend would be great. That gives them about 4 weeks until the draft/free agency.
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That's probably the thing.  We don't know what is going on with the GM search but the names that keep hitting the media are more of the Treliving, Chiarelli, Bergevin variety.  None of those names encourage me.  If they are interviewing other candidates that just aren't leaking out, great.  I'm also concerned that they are set on Treliving and are just going through the motions on evaluating a decisions they have already made. 
 
Look at our shiny new GM!!!  We ONLY got him because he got fired from his last job!  Isn't he great!?!?!?!?!?!!!???!!!?  He failed so hard at his last job that he was fired, but things will be different this time!  WE PROMISE!!!!
 
herman said:
https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1663545889489817601
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He spent 3 years as the HC of their AHL team prior to coming to the Leafs, so as Friedman says no real surprise here. Carbery could be a really good coach but I also don't think you need to be some sort of hockey prodigy to put together one really good PP unit with the guys he's had access to.
 
Rob said:
Look at our shiny new GM!!!  We ONLY got him because he got fired from his last job!  Isn't he great!?!?!?!?!?!!!???!!!?  He failed so hard at his last job that he was fired, but things will be different this time!  WE PROMISE!!!!
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Does the same apply to the team that hires Dubas?
 
Peter D. said:
Rob said:
Look at our shiny new GM!!!  We ONLY got him because he got fired from his last job!  Isn't he great!?!?!?!?!?!!!???!!!?  He failed so hard at his last job that he was fired, but things will be different this time!  WE PROMISE!!!!
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Does the same apply to the team that hires Dubas?
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Same applies to a huge swath of all GM and coach hires.
 
Peter D. said:
Rob said:
Look at our shiny new GM!!!  We ONLY got him because he got fired from his last job!  Isn't he great!?!?!?!?!?!!!???!!!?  He failed so hard at his last job that he was fired, but things will be different this time!  WE PROMISE!!!!
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Does the same apply to the team that hires Dubas?
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Not really, cos he wasn't fired because of performance.
 
bustaheims said:
Peter D. said:
Rob said:
Look at our shiny new GM!!!  We ONLY got him because he got fired from his last job!  Isn't he great!?!?!?!?!?!!!???!!!?  He failed so hard at his last job that he was fired, but things will be different this time!  WE PROMISE!!!!
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Does the same apply to the team that hires Dubas?
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Same applies to a huge swath of all GM and coach hires.
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Doug Wilson was never fired as a NHL exec.
 
Also, here are some fun facts:

GMs who have won the Cup with multiple franchises:
Tommy Gorman
Jim Rutherford

Coaches who have won the Cup with multiple franchises:
Tommy Gorman
Dick Irvin
Scotty Bowman
 
I guess that ideally, if it's true that Shanahan has already set parameters around the core 4,and even if he hasn't - I'd just as well he took the GM position with Pridham's elevated support - instead of picking from a parade of retreads and retirees.

I'm sure he's smart enough to pass on the idea, though.
 
If most of the top decisions for the team would need to go through Shanahan, it makes sense that he is the new GM as well.

 
bustaheims said:
Peter D. said:
Rob said:
Look at our shiny new GM!!!  We ONLY got him because he got fired from his last job!  Isn't he great!?!?!?!?!?!!!???!!!?  He failed so hard at his last job that he was fired, but things will be different this time!  WE PROMISE!!!!
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Does the same apply to the team that hires Dubas?
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Same applies to a huge swath of all GM and coach hires.
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That was kind of my point...
 
CarltonTheBear said:
I'm getting slightly restless only because there's a part of me worried that they've just spent the last 10 days debating the pros and cons of Treliving. But if there's a wide range of worthwhile candidates they're legitimately considering, and especially if some of them aren't available to talk yet (like McPhee and/or Nill), then obviously the hold up is justified.
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https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/1663722334245605376

Looking more and more like it's been the former.
 
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