Who will be the new coach of the Leafs
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Guilt Trip
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Hopefully Brind'Amours on Wed.herman said:
bustaheims
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Guilt Trip said:
Gotta give the Canes a little more time for a post mortem. Like, until Friday.
Going after Brind'Amour is going to be tricky. His contract doesn't expire until July 1st and I have to imagine Carolina will attempt to use that entire time to get him extended. Even if Rod publicly declares he won't be returning to Carolina it's not completely crazy to think Carolina wouldn't let him interview with other clubs until his contract is officially expired.
So do the Leafs (or any other team) decide to wait on hiring a coach until then they can talk to Rod and risk losing out on their 2nd, 3rd, or 4th options if they can't sign Brind'Amour?
So do the Leafs (or any other team) decide to wait on hiring a coach until then they can talk to Rod and risk losing out on their 2nd, 3rd, or 4th options if they can't sign Brind'Amour?
bustaheims
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I think teams need to move forward assuming Brind'Amour isn't available, as, odds are, he won't be.
Guilt Trip
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If Rod isn't going back the Canes won't hold him back. They may not want him back if they go out in 5 to the Rags anyway. They'll be in their own rush to sign one of the available coaches as well before they're gone.CarltonTheBear said:
As for missing out on your 2nd, 3rd, they're sideways moves at best anyway IMO.
Going to be interesting if the Rags win tonight.
Guilt Trip said:
I would not underestimate the stubbornness of a scorned billionaire.
Highlander
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Looks like Todd McLellan is flying to T.O. If they hire him I am will be pissed. Lets get either Quenville or Gallant and start from there. Not a Berube fan at all.
dappleganger
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I'll accept Berube or Gallant. No to Quenville or McLellan.
bustaheims
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Highlander said:
Quenville is not eligible to coach in the NHL. Scratch him off every list.
Hurricanes' Rod Brind'Amour feels 'really good' about reaching new contract
That article is 11 days old. I don't think much has changed. I can't see them feeling justified to wait for him.
That article is 11 days old. I don't think much has changed. I can't see them feeling justified to wait for him.
bustaheims
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Joe said:
McDavid for half a season as a rookie and another year with garbage goaltending. Not sure I'd put much of that on McLellan. Not saying he's necessary the best choice, I just don't really look at his failures in Edmonton being on his coaching. He had some pretty miserable rosters to start with and young guys who hadn't quite hit their strides yet.
bustaheims said:
Sure. That?s fair. But still, I?m not sure how you look at his record and Keefe and say ?ok this is an improvement?.
And for the record, I don?t put that much stock in coaching. I really don?t think a new coach is going to make a dramatic difference to this roster, as constructed at the moment.
Joe said:
Few coaches will really look better on paper. As cliche as it sounds it really is just about finding a new voice and finding someone who will push different buttons.
With that said even then I don't see McLellan as a good fit.
herman
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Like the 4 S's of Scouting (5 if you count mine!), coaches have a handful of categories to evaluate
[*]Tactics: Xs and Os; I need someone who can identify the strengths/weaknesses of a roster and build a playstyle accordingly with an eye towards playoff hockey
[*]Adaptability: maybe a subset of Tactics, but adjusting to the results and circumstances in a game/series with the personnel on hand
[*]Motivation: via inspiration or fear or what have you
[*]Development via Deployment: a subset of motivation, do players grow their games?
[*]Media Management: there is a lot of face time, especially in Toronto; does he wield the media as a tool, or is does he crumble under the scrutiny?
[*]Management Management: does he collaborate well with the front office (roster, analytics)
[*] Officiating Management: the game within the game
Keefe:
Tactics were aligned with Dubas, who tried to get ahead of the current metagame, but it petered out in the playoffs routinely and Adjustments were either non-existent or consistently stupid (play Matthews with Marner MORE).
Motivation was always done through process and minimizing emotions, which reads well on paper, but hockey players aren't really the cerebral type in general, and certainly not in a group setting, so we often so the Leafs lay eggs in big game moments. He also couldn't really get Marner (and the rest of the core) to budge on working to generate offense playoff style because they continued to have regular season success. Credit to Keefe for identifying it early on (2021 is the earliest evidence) but demerit for not whipping the team into shape to leverage that knowledge.
Development via Deployment is largely a dud as well (look at all the players we didn't have time for who went on to have immediate success elsewhere); only Matthews and Nylander visibly grew their games, but they're constantly tinkering on their own.
Media Management is where I can give Keefe tremendous credit; as a rookie coach coming in on the heels of Babcock and that poop-storm, Keefe's relatively stoic approach gave the media next to nothing to spiral off to damage the team and brand. Management Management was also quite good, as he took on ideas from his new GM and just made them work (took half a season).
Officiating Management: haha, Keefe was not good at this at all.
New Coach:
I don't think there's much out there in terms of tactics that's revolutionary.
[*]Tactics: Xs and Os; I need someone who can identify the strengths/weaknesses of a roster and build a playstyle accordingly with an eye towards playoff hockey
[*]Adaptability: maybe a subset of Tactics, but adjusting to the results and circumstances in a game/series with the personnel on hand
[*]Motivation: via inspiration or fear or what have you
[*]Development via Deployment: a subset of motivation, do players grow their games?
[*]Media Management: there is a lot of face time, especially in Toronto; does he wield the media as a tool, or is does he crumble under the scrutiny?
[*]Management Management: does he collaborate well with the front office (roster, analytics)
[*] Officiating Management: the game within the game
Keefe:
Tactics were aligned with Dubas, who tried to get ahead of the current metagame, but it petered out in the playoffs routinely and Adjustments were either non-existent or consistently stupid (play Matthews with Marner MORE).
Motivation was always done through process and minimizing emotions, which reads well on paper, but hockey players aren't really the cerebral type in general, and certainly not in a group setting, so we often so the Leafs lay eggs in big game moments. He also couldn't really get Marner (and the rest of the core) to budge on working to generate offense playoff style because they continued to have regular season success. Credit to Keefe for identifying it early on (2021 is the earliest evidence) but demerit for not whipping the team into shape to leverage that knowledge.
Development via Deployment is largely a dud as well (look at all the players we didn't have time for who went on to have immediate success elsewhere); only Matthews and Nylander visibly grew their games, but they're constantly tinkering on their own.
Media Management is where I can give Keefe tremendous credit; as a rookie coach coming in on the heels of Babcock and that poop-storm, Keefe's relatively stoic approach gave the media next to nothing to spiral off to damage the team and brand. Management Management was also quite good, as he took on ideas from his new GM and just made them work (took half a season).
Officiating Management: haha, Keefe was not good at this at all.
New Coach:
I don't think there's much out there in terms of tactics that's revolutionary.
bustaheims
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Joe said:
I'm with you, and, on the surface, he doesn't look like an improvement. This group needs a new voice, and maybe he's the right one, regardless of his previous coaching records. Is that McLellan? I don't know, but his most recent work in LA - taking a not super impressive lineup and turning them into solid playoff contenders - is reasonably encouraging. He wouldn't be my top choice, for sure, but it's entirely possible he's the right guy to guide this particular group.