Zaitsev and Brown traded to Ottawa

[Phileas Fogg]

If Ceci's in the lineup to start the season, I hate this trade, with a capital H.

I really don't get this. The worst interpretation of this trade is that we removed 4 years from Zaitsev's contract. That's still pretty good.

We downgraded our defense for the current season, and it cost us an asset to do it. I have no doubt Brown could have been moved on his own. As Zaitsev's contract aged, he'd be more and more moveable, and in the meantime, the org could have mended fences, or he could go to the KHL = free space. I don't see why we had to compromise the team in the short term to do this, assuming Ceci is staying.

 

[bustaheims]

https://twitter.com/pierrevlebrun/status/1145689995388342272?s=21

HAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[ZBBM]

This blows open a huge hole in the Leafs PK scheme (pretty good during the season, exploited during the playoffs), so it?ll be interesting to see how we build this. Marincin definitely starting the season on the Leafs with Dermott in recovery until December. Up front we probably see Moore take on a PK role and Tavares taking draws.

Nick Shore and Kenny Agostino help too if they make the team.

Matthews.

 

[herman]

If Ceci's in the lineup to start the season, I hate this trade, with a capital H.

I really don't get this. The worst interpretation of this trade is that we removed 4 years from Zaitsev's contract. That's still pretty good.

Still very tradeable mid-season. Leafs still need bodies there so it?s either guy who?s here or go buy/trade for someone else. Timing and valuation are key. If October and November give Ceci a bit more Babcock value around the league, that?s okay. I?d still rather we move him before the season but that?s predicated on us actually have other far better options in the fold.

https://twitter.com/scottcwheeler/status/1145690856063688704

 

[Phileas Fogg]

https://twitter.com/pierrevlebrun/status/1145689995388342272?s=21

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Seems Ott is the NYI of 2019-2020. Maybe they'll have better results that we think.

 

[Bill_Berg]

$3.5 for Hainsey? Is this a sign and trade with the Leafs or something? Let Toronto pay the bonus?

 

[ZBBM]

Well, say what you will but this trade and now Boss & Ennis make OTT considerably better than they were 20 minutes ago.

 

[Phileas Fogg]

$3.5 for Hainsey? Is this a sign and trade with the Leafs or something? Let Toronto pay the bonus?

Assuming it's for a single year, I don't think it's all that outrageous.

 

[Guilt Trip]

If Ceci's in the lineup to start the season, I hate this trade, with a capital H.

I really don't get this. The worst interpretation of this trade is that we removed 4 years from Zaitsev's contract. That's still pretty good.

We downgraded our defense for the current season, and it cost us an asset to do it. I have no doubt Brown could have been moved on his own. As Zaitsev's contract aged, he'd be more and more moveable, and in the meantime, the org could have mended fences, or he could go to the KHL = free space. I don't see why we had to compromise the team in the short term to do this, assuming Ceci is staying.

It's a good move. Zaitsevs numbers were horrible and 5 more years? There wasnt 1 hockey expert who said that is a good deal. As for Brown, yes he could have been traded by himself but the Leafs don't want salary back in the deal. He's a pure dump as well. Can't pay a 4th line guy 2+mill.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

We downgraded our defense for the current season, and it cost us an asset to do it. I have no doubt Brown could have been moved on his own. As Zaitsev's contract aged, he'd be more and more moveable, and in the meantime, the org could have mended fences, or he could go to the KHL = free space. I don't see why we had to compromise the team in the short term to do this, assuming Ceci is staying.

That's debatable. I won't get into all the nitty gritty analytics details, but they've both produced similar bad results for years. The difference is Zaitsev did it surrounded with NHLers while Ceci did not. If anything that leads me to to believe that odds are Ceci has the better season after they change environments.

 

[Phileas Fogg]

at that number on a one year deal, Ceci should be moveable. If the Leafs retain some cap, possibly even valuable.

Interesting that Ceci wasn't moveable on an expiring contract at the trade deadline for the same number.

 

[bustaheims]

Well, say what you will but this trade and now Boss & Ennis make OTT considerably better than they were 20 minutes ago.

Are they? An aging D who struggled mightily on a better team here, and an okay 3rd/4th line winger? None of the pieces they added today move the needle all that much, and, even the combined impact is marginal.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Well, say what you will but this trade and now Boss & Ennis make OTT considerably better than they were 20 minutes ago.

Are they? An aging D who struggled mightily on a better team here, and an okay 3rd/4th line winger? None of the pieces they added today move the needle all that much, and, even the combined impact is marginal.

Hainsey will be good with the young D.

 

[bustaheims]

at that number on a one year deal, Ceci should be moveable. If the Leafs retain some cap, possibly even valuable.

Interesting that Ceci wasn't moveable on an expiring contract at the trade deadline for the same number.

Pending RFA compared to pending UFA. Teams could have let walk, sure, but the optics of giving up assets for a player at the deadline only to actively decide to let him go for nothing when keeping him would have simply required offering a contract would have been terrible. We also don?t really know what Ottawa was asking in return, and can be pretty confident the Leafs would be willing to take less if it means shedding the cap space - assuming that?s the plan.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Are they? An aging D who struggled mightily on a better team here, and an okay 3rd/4th line winger? None of the pieces they added today move the needle all that much, and, even the combined impact is marginal.

I mean it makes them better, but that's not exactly something Ottawa should be proud about.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

For what it's worth, Evolving-Wild's wins and goals above replacement models both have Ceci ranked above Zaitsev (but neither of their numbers are anything to write home about).

 

[bustaheims]

Hainsey will be good with the young D.

I have my doubts about that. The on ice impact of mentorship is over stated.

 

[Zee]

For what it's worth, Evolving-Wild's wins and goals above replacement models both have Ceci ranked above Zaitsev (but neither of their numbers are anything to write home about).

Was Ceci played too high up for the Sens? Maybe less minutes he may be more effective

 

[Phileas Fogg]

For what it's worth, Evolving-Wild's wins and goals above replacement models both have Ceci ranked above Zaitsev (but neither of their numbers are anything to write home about).

Was Ceci played too high up for the Sens? Maybe less minutes he may be more effective

Giving any bad player fewer minutes is going to be a positive. The problem is, the Leafs are short a lot of good defencemen. I sure hope Dubas has some sort of plan here, because starting the season with Reilly, Muzzin and a bunch of ahl'ers is not going to work out well.

 

[Guilt Trip]

For what it's worth, Evolving-Wild's wins and goals above replacement models both have Ceci ranked above Zaitsev (but neither of their numbers are anything to write home about).

Was Ceci played too high up for the Sens? Maybe less minutes he may be more effective

Giving any bad player fewer minutes is going to be a positive. The problem is, the Leafs are short a lot of good defencemen. I sure hope Dubas has some sort of plan here, because starting the season with Reilly, Muzzin and a bunch of ahl'ers is not going to work out well.

On paper yes, but we dont know. Liljegren, Borgman, Rosen whoever could do well if they're here. We just dont know until it happens.