Zaitsev and Brown traded to Ottawa

[rdowdall]

It?s not bait. It?s a legitimate question we all have for anyone who insists on changes being made but without presenting any viable options.

It is bait when it isn't asked as genuine interest, rather as an excuse to argue. If someone else asked the question, I'd say likely Kadri or Johnsson would be a prime candidate, targeting Carolina or another team either weak at C or rich in defense.

He has asked previously. I always ask when people just shout traaaade or GET A D-Man, because they tend to blame Dubas for not doing anything. People need to recognize the market that exists or does not exist. Situations can materialize down the road (injuries, positioning).

I have eyeballs for Rasmus Andersson or Pesce. Both Calgary and Carolina are looking for 2C, but if we bump Kadri, we need a good defensive 3C as part of the package.

And that's where it gets tough.  Kadri isn't going to fetch a right d-man and a dependable 3 line center by himself.  Maybe they sign a Sheahan or someone like that to try and stop gap it.  Love it or hate it, this team only goes as far as Matthews, Tavares, Nylander, and Marner take it. 

 

[CarltonTheBear]

He has asked previously. I always ask when people just shout traaaade or GET A D-Man, because they tend to blame Dubas for not doing anything. People need to recognize the market that exists or does not exist. Situations can materialize down the road (injuries, positioning).

I have eyeballs for Rasmus Andersson or Pesce. Both Calgary and Carolina are looking for 2C, but if we bump Kadri, we need a good defensive 3C as part of the package.

Rumours have Stralman signing with the Panthers, that drops Mark Pysyk down to their 3rd pairing. If we could dump Ceci somewhere he'd be a guy I'd target.

 

[Phileas Fogg]

He has asked previously. I always ask when people just shout traaaade or GET A D-Man, because they tend to blame Dubas for not doing anything. People need to recognize the market that exists or does not exist. Situations can materialize down the road (injuries, positioning).

I have eyeballs for Rasmus Andersson or Pesce. Both Calgary and Carolina are looking for 2C, but if we bump Kadri, we need a good defensive 3C as part of the package.

Rumours have Stralman signing with the Panthers, that drops Mark Pysyk down to their 3rd pairing. If we could dump Ceci somewhere he'd be a guy I'd target.

Assuming the latter could occur, would it not be possible to have the room to sign Gardiner as plan "A"?

 

[Frank E]

He has asked previously. I always ask when people just shout traaaade or GET A D-Man, because they tend to blame Dubas for not doing anything. People need to recognize the market that exists or does not exist. Situations can materialize down the road (injuries, positioning).

I have eyeballs for Rasmus Andersson or Pesce. Both Calgary and Carolina are looking for 2C, but if we bump Kadri, we need a good defensive 3C as part of the package.

Rumours have Stralman signing with the Panthers, that drops Mark Pysyk down to their 3rd pairing. If we could dump Ceci somewhere he'd be a guy I'd target.

Big Ceci fan, eh? 

What's the deal with this guy?...seems very polarizing.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Assuming the latter could occur, would it not be possible to have the room to sign Gardiner as plan "A"?

Hypothetically if Marner gets $10mil and we dump Ceci I think that we're very roughly at $75-76mil (with Horton on LTIR). So possible, but Gardiner would probably need to take a bit of a discount.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Big Ceci fan, eh? 

What's the deal with this guy?...seems very polarizing.

He's really just a Canadian Nikita Zaitsev.

 

[Phileas Fogg]

Assuming the latter could occur, would it not be possible to have the room to sign Gardiner as plan "A"?

Hypothetically if Marner gets $10mil and we dump Ceci I think that we're very roughly at $75-76mil (with Horton on LTIR). So possible, but Gardiner would probably need to take a bit of a discount.

And again, very hypothetically, but if say, Kadri went for Pesce, we'd have an additional 500K, and the top 4 suddenly looks very, very serviceable.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

And again, very hypothetically, but if say, Kadri went for Pesce, we'd have an additional 500K, and the top 4 suddenly looks very, very serviceable.

True. Let's keep in mind though that Kadri has a 10-team NTC though and Carolina is rumoured to be on it. He loves the team and loves the city, I can't see him being in a rush to waive that.

 

[rdowdall]

Myers looks to be getting 6 million over 5 years.  How does he work as a comparable for Gardiner?

 

[Phileas Fogg]

And again, very hypothetically, but if say, Kadri went for Pesce, we'd have an additional 500K, and the top 4 suddenly looks very, very serviceable.

True. Let's keep in mind though that Kadri has a 10-team NTC though and Carolina is rumoured to be on it. He loves the team and loves the city, I can't see him being in a rush to waive that.

Ah. Pin, meet balloon.

 

[Phileas Fogg]

Myers looks to be getting 6 million over 5 years.  How does he work as a comparable for Gardiner?

Gardiner is better, but size is often overrated in favour of Myers, and perhaps the back problems make a few clubs wary.

So yeah, 6M sounds close to me. Hopefully some magic can be worked for the leafs.

 

[ZBBM]

Assuming the latter could occur, would it not be possible to have the room to sign Gardiner as plan "A"?

Hypothetically if Marner gets $10mil and we dump Ceci I think that we're very roughly at $75-76mil (with Horton on LTIR). So possible, but Gardiner would probably need to take a bit of a discount.

And again, very hypothetically, but if say, Kadri went for Pesce, we'd have an additional 500K, and the top 4 suddenly looks very, very serviceable.

I think something like this is going to occur.  Kadri is the most likely chip in some kind of deal that gets us a top-4 d-man.

 

[Frank E]

Big Ceci fan, eh? 

What's the deal with this guy?...seems very polarizing.

He's really just a Canadian Nikita Zaitsev.

Awesome. And we were really selling low on Zaitsev.

I don't much like the deal, so I hope there are other moves.

 

[ZBBM]

And again, very hypothetically, but if say, Kadri went for Pesce, we'd have an additional 500K, and the top 4 suddenly looks very, very serviceable.

True. Let's keep in mind though that Kadri has a 10-team NTC though and Carolina is rumoured to be on it. He loves the team and loves the city, I can't see him being in a rush to waive that.

And his love of team won't be affected if he's approached with a trade to CAR?

These NTCs are much more restrictive in theory than in practice.

 

[bustaheims]

Awesome. And we were really selling low on Zaitsev.

Much easier to sell one year of mediocrity than five.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Awesome. And we were really selling low on Zaitsev.

Much easier to sell one year of mediocrity than five.

+1

 

[Kin]

There's literally no answer I can give you that you won't nitpick on either of those questions, even if I was to give you an answer that actually came to fruition 5 minutes later - so I'm not going to take the bait.

That's true in as much as the re's really no answer you can give that would be so universally obvious and advantageous to the Leafs as there's nothing wrong with it.

Take the Kadri for Pesce idea. Would that be a good deal for the Leafs to make? Maybe. Is it one they should consider if it's in front of them? Absolutely. Can they force Carolina to make that trade if they're not interested? No. Is the offer so good that Carolina would have no recourse but to accept? No.

I appreciate that making specific criticisms is a lot harder than just "STUPID DUBAS! MAKE THE DEFENSE GOODER!!!" and trying to avoid them when pressed by ducking the question is a solid attempt to seem reasonable but it's also fairly transparent.

 

[herman]

When?s the Leafsens Uber video coming out?

 

[Arn]

I liked the narrative of Brown being a 6th round pick and becoming a solid player on his local/childhood team so from that point of view sad to see a solid honest player go. But he was overpaid for his role and hopefully will get a chance to take on a bigger role put in Ottawa and have a solid career

 

[Guilt Trip]

I liked the narrative of Brown being a 6th round pick and becoming a solid player on his local/childhood team so from that point of view sad to see a solid honest player go. But he was overpaid for his role and hopefully will get a chance to take on a bigger role put in Ottawa and have a solid career

That's what the cap does. Good luck to Brown. Honest player. Funny Ceci is coming to the Leafs with the same kind of thing from Ottawa.