2015 NHL Entry Draft - Draft Day!

[Tigger]

. I'm saying that if you haven't seen him play then you're not really qualified to talk about him being a good or bad pick, which I haven't and as a result am not.

Then

As LK posted, Bob McKenzie had Dermott at 42. McKeen's had him at 30. Central scouting at 46. There's enough smart hockey people who had him solidly as a mid-second round pick that taking him where they did qualifies as a minor reach at best.

You have your hypocrite gentlemen.

Ok Vizzini.

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

. I'm saying that if you haven't seen him play then you're not really qualified to talk about him being a good or bad pick, which I haven't and as a result am not.

Then

As LK posted, Bob McKenzie had Dermott at 42. McKeen's had him at 30. Central scouting at 46. There's enough smart hockey people who had him solidly as a mid-second round pick that taking him where they did qualifies as a minor reach at best.

You have your hypocrite gentlemen.

I don't think you know how to use that word.

That's a kind way of putting it.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Just seeing the rest of the picks. Absolutely love it. Timashov? Korostelev? Dermott? Great!

 

[Tigger]

Rd	Pick	Player	Position	League	Ht	Wt	G	A	P
1	4	Mitchell Marner	C/RW	OHL	5'11"	171	44	82	126
2	34	Travis Dermott	D	OHL	5'11"	190	8	37	45
2	61	Jeremy Bracco	RW	USDP	5'10"	178	30	64	94
3	65	Andrew Nielsen	D	WHL	6'3"	210	7	17	24
3	68	Martins Dzierkals	LW	MHL	5'11"	170	10	18	28
4	95	Jesper Lindgren	D	Super Elit	6'0"	161	6	27	33
5	125	Dmytro Timashov	LW	QMJHL	5'9"	162	19	71	90
6	155	Stephen Desrocher	D	OHL	6'3"	198	10	13	23
7	185	Nikita Korostolev	RW	OHL	6'1"	195	24	29	53

Timashov reportedly is 5'10" 192 lbs... also, according to Siegel, great friends with William Nylander.

 

[rdowdall]

Just seeing the rest of the picks. Absolutely love it. Timashov? Korostelev? Dermott? Great!

Did you see the picks?  Because there is a debate about that.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Just seeing the rest of the picks. Absolutely love it. Timashov? Korostelev? Dermott? Great!

Did you see the picks?  Because there is a debate about that.

I saw that and grabbed my scotch.

 

[moon111]

Looking at Dermott, I see a +58 in 128 OHL games.  He's had some good team-mates no doubt, but everything you read sounds like he plays a complete, although not flashy, game.

 

[rdowdall]

Just seeing the rest of the picks. Absolutely love it. Timashov? Korostelev? Dermott? Great!

Did you see the picks?  Because there is a debate about that.

I saw that and grabbed my scotch.

For some reason I transposed the s to an r in to a different spot. 

 

[Tigger]

Nikita Korostolev seems to have been a steal at 185...

Ranked

46 by Hockey News
50 by NHL Central Scouting (NA Skaters
53 by Hockeyprospect.com
60 by ISS Hockey
62 by Future Considerations
69 by TSN/McKenzie

 

[Tigger]

[tweet]614860881248260096[/tweet]

 

[Kin]

I don't think you know how to use that word.

That's a kind way of putting it.

And it should probably be pluralized.

 

[Tigger]

Weird, I just watched the interview with Sprong and Hendricks ( I think ) on LeafsTV ( around page 4 right now ) and though they were softball questions he didn't come across bad at all.

 

[Kin]

Weird, I just watched the interview with Sprong and Hendricks ( I think ) on LeafsTV ( around page 4 right now ) and though they were softball questions he didn't come across bad at all.

I don't know what these interviews are like but I assume they tend to be maybe less personality focused and more about specific things related to their game. I'm guessing that "I just want to give it my hundred percent and work hard and make the team" or whatever isn't going to be of a ton of use.

 

[Tigger]

I don't know if you watched that before you posted but his ability to communicate is what I was referring to, obviously I wasn't there for the combine interviews and they would not be lobbing softballs but it seems odd to me that he wouldn't be able to satisfy the process.

 

[Kin]

I don't know if you watched that before you posted but his ability to communicate is what I was referring to, obviously I wasn't there for the combine interviews and they would not be lobbing softballs but it seems odd to me that he wouldn't be able to satisfy the process.

I don't think it's a pass/fail sort of thing though. Like, they may really put these guys through the paces on their X's and O's and being as that the one thing we heard about Sprong a lot is that he doesn't always translate his individual skill into a team game it doesn't surprise me necessarily that part of that is something where he struggles to understand gameplans or the finer points of strategy.

 

[ZBBM]

The only argument you can make for doing what they did is that they think he's better than anyone else in the draft who they could have gotten with 24 had they never traded it. 

No. The argument is that he and Bracco and the Latvian guy are, combined, better than anyone they could have drafted at 24. The whole point of trading down was to add those two picks so those two prospects are fundamentally material to the argument of them doing what they did.

As LK posted, Bob McKenzie had Dermott at 42. McKeen's had him at 30. Central scouting at 46. There's enough smart hockey people who had him solidly as a mid-second round pick that taking him where they did qualifies as a minor reach at best. Making a minor reach with a second round pick doesn't "undermine" the rest of the draft provided you're not a heroine in a Tennessee Williams play.

As is often the case the digs you throw in (and nicely done there, it made me laugh) exceed the truth value of what you post. If you can tell me with a straight face that going into this draft you expected that a player of the caliber of Dermott would be our second pick, then I'll eat my old Leafs ball cap I wear when I mow the lawn.

And the three guys together are only "better" than hypothetical 24 if their cumulative positive impact is greater than 24's. And even that is very debatable, that dudes self published study notwithstanding.

 

[Kin]

If you can tell me with a straight face that going into this draft you expected that a player of the caliber of Dermott would be our second pick, then I'll eat my old Leafs ball cap I wear when I mow the lawn.

Well, I mean, that depends on his caliber which we've both admitted we actually know nothing about.

The two players I was hoping the Leafs would take at #24 actually got drafted at #46 and #60. So clearly my pre-draft preferences didn't really jive much with how actual NHL scouts evaluated these players.

Again though, you're essentially ignoring the actual reason the Leafs made these trades. If they'd wanted the #24 pick in the draft, they'd have kept it. They thought that the #34, #61 and #68 picks were more valuable and if you'd asked me that before the draft, I'd have probably agreed.

And the three guys together are only "better" than hypothetical 24 if their cumulative positive impact is greater than 24's. And even that is very debatable, that dudes self published study notwithstanding.

Well, no, it's not debatable. Because we'd be debating the future. Again, this isn't an argument between you thinking he's a bad prospect and me thinking he's a good one. It's you thinking he's a bad prospect whose selection undermines the entire draft and me saying you have no idea what you're talking about because we don't know enough about any of these guys and what they'll do to provide that sort of hyperbolic instant analysis.

You seem to sort of be jumbling two different complaints. One, that Dermott is a bad choice at #34 and two, that the Leafs shouldn't have traded down to #34 to begin with. As to the latter, I disagree. Like I said, the Leafs could have traded down to #34 and taken either of the guys I was hoping they'd taken at #24 and there were other prospects like Harkins available who were rated quite highly pre-draft. So trading down to #34 didn't affect their ability to take a prospect I'd have been happy with at #24 so the fact that they traded down to #34 and were able to draft two additional high upside prospects because of it seems on its face a good thing.

As to the former complaint, I really think to justify your reaction you need something more substantive than "the aggregated scouting rankings might have this guy 8 or 9 places lower than where they drafted him".

 

[Britishbulldog]

Just seeing the rest of the picks. Absolutely love it. Timashov? Korostelev? Dermott? Great!

Did you see the picks?  Because there is a debate about that.

I saw that and grabbed my scotch.

For some reason I transposed the s to an r in to a different spot.

I did the exact same thing!  Weird!  Maybe I am missing seeing MJ sing live.

 

[rdowdall]

Just seeing the rest of the picks. Absolutely love it. Timashov? Korostelev? Dermott? Great!

Did you see the picks?  Because there is a debate about that.

I saw that and grabbed my scotch.

For some reason I transposed the s to an r in to a different spot.

I did the exact same thing!  Weird!  Maybe I am missing seeing MJ sing live.

Ah hee he Woo!!!

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Very happy with the draft, they made smart decisions in terms of adding additional picks and they took some really big home run swings too. Obviously we won't see how successful they will be for a couple of years, but it's exactly the type of draft I had hoped they would have.

The biggest steal of the draft could be Marincin, big, can skate, make a good outlet pass and had some nice fancy stats on a horrific team while facing strong competion.

I suspected they might take a swing at some high upside pivots, but it's nice to see they stuck to the BPA mantra.