2015 NHL Entry Draft - Draft Day!

[Kin]

Yeah, I mean, I know everyone is going to point to Clarkson as an example of how this doesn't work but I'm really not overly concerned with a team being able to find the sort of bigger guy who can bang in 15-20 goals and who looks good as the third piece of a line, whether it be via free agency or trade. It seems like those are the guys you can pick up out there.

 

[herman]

Yeah, I mean, I know everyone is going to point to Clarkson as an example of how this doesn't work but I'm really not overly concerned with a team being able to find the sort of bigger guy who can bang in 15-20 goals and who looks good as the third piece of a line, whether it be via free agency or trade. It seems like those are the guys you can pick up out there.

I also doubt that they'd specifically target strength/size anyway. More likely it'd be for a positional need where they've got a bit of a monopoly. Same strategy as any game involving a trade market, really.

 

[Kin]

I also doubt that they'd specifically target strength/size anyway. More likely it'd be for a positional need where they've got a bit of a monopoly. Same strategy as any game involving a trade market, really.

When they need size, they'll be able to find it is what I'm saying. What are you saying?

 

[LuncheonMeat]

Yeah, I mean, I know everyone is going to point to Clarkson as an example of how this doesn't work but I'm really not overly concerned with a team being able to find the sort of bigger guy who can bang in 15-20 goals and who looks good as the third piece of a line, whether it be via free agency or trade. It seems like those are the guys you can pick up out there.

And I think Shawn Matthias is a great example of that.  6'3" 220 pound forward who can bang in 15-20 goals.... although maybe not on the Leafs as the roster is currently constructed.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Yeah, I mean, I know everyone is going to point to Clarkson as an example of how this doesn't work but I'm really not overly concerned with a team being able to find the sort of bigger guy who can bang in 15-20 goals and who looks good as the third piece of a line, whether it be via free agency or trade. It seems like those are the guys you can pick up out there.

And I think Shawn Matthias is a great example of that.  6'3" 220 pound forward who can bang in 15-20 goals.... although maybe not on the Leafs as the roster is currently constructed.

I see no reason he can't get at least that many goals regardless of how the roster is constructed.

 

[LuncheonMeat]

Yeah, I mean, I know everyone is going to point to Clarkson as an example of how this doesn't work but I'm really not overly concerned with a team being able to find the sort of bigger guy who can bang in 15-20 goals and who looks good as the third piece of a line, whether it be via free agency or trade. It seems like those are the guys you can pick up out there.

And I think Shawn Matthias is a great example of that.  6'3" 220 pound forward who can bang in 15-20 goals.... although maybe not on the Leafs as the roster is currently constructed.

I see no reason he can't get at least that many goals regardless of how the roster is constructed.

I hope so.  Assuming the Leafs gave him a show-me contract with the potential of moving him at the deadline, 20 goals could be the difference in fetching a 1st rather than a second.  Who knows, they may decide he's a guy worth resigning and keeping around.

 

[L K]

Yeah, I mean, I know everyone is going to point to Clarkson as an example of how this doesn't work but I'm really not overly concerned with a team being able to find the sort of bigger guy who can bang in 15-20 goals and who looks good as the third piece of a line, whether it be via free agency or trade. It seems like those are the guys you can pick up out there.

And I think Shawn Matthias is a great example of that.  6'3" 220 pound forward who can bang in 15-20 goals.... although maybe not on the Leafs as the roster is currently constructed.

I see no reason he can't get at least that many goals regardless of how the roster is constructed.

Especially if the Leafs give him some PP time.  He got none with the Canucks and depending on how the Leafs want to play their lineup I could see him on the 2nd unit.

 

[herman]

I also doubt that they'd specifically target strength/size anyway. More likely it'd be for a positional need where they've got a bit of a monopoly. Same strategy as any game involving a trade market, really.

When they need size, they'll be able to find it is what I'm saying. What are you saying?

I'm agreeing with you, but adding that I don't think they'll target for size anyway.

 

[Kin]

I'm agreeing with you, but adding that I don't think they'll target for size anyway.

It's not the be all and end all but I think there's still something to be said for having some size on the team. So they'll probably look to add some players for that reason at some point.

 

[L K]

I'm agreeing with you, but adding that I don't think they'll target for size anyway.

It's not the be all and end all but I think there's still something to be said for having some size on the team. So they'll probably look to add some players for that reason at some point.

The four defensemen they drafted were all 6 foot and above.  Only Jesper Lindgren doesn't project as a guy who will hit 200-220 lbs.  I wonder if the Leafs are going to look at a smaller forward unit with a slightly bigger defense as their model?

 

[herman]

I'm agreeing with you, but adding that I don't think they'll target for size anyway.

It's not the be all and end all but I think there's still something to be said for having some size on the team. So they'll probably look to add some players for that reason at some point.

The four defensemen they drafted were all 6 foot and above.  Only Jesper Lindgren doesn't project as a guy who will hit 200-220 lbs.  I wonder if the Leafs are going to look at a smaller forward unit with a slightly bigger defense as their model?

That struck me as what their template was at the Draft.

 

[Kin]

The four defensemen they drafted were all 6 foot and above.  Only Jesper Lindgren doesn't project as a guy who will hit 200-220 lbs.  I wonder if the Leafs are going to look at a smaller forward unit with a slightly bigger defense as their model?

I wouldn't read too much into that after just the one draft where the team needed to inject skill into the system after the older regime maybe put too much emphasis on size(say, Gauthier-ish size).

 

[hobarth]

I prefer to believe that TO drafted for skill, not for need, and like Dubas said you can always use the talented as trade chips to fill needs.

It would be tragic if TO somehow ended up with too much skill!!

 

[hockeyfan1]

Philadelphia Flyers' coach Dave Hakstol, keeper of the "stare":
(Wonder what he's going to use at the property level?)

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=775060&navid=DL

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

So Columbus tried to trade for #4 and the Leafs asking price was #'s 8, 34, 38, 58.

I imagine many fans melting down had that happened given the reaction from some at trading down later in the 1st round.

 

[Kin]

So Columbus tried to trade for #4 and the Leafs asking price was #'s 8, 34, 38, 58.

I imagine many fans melting down had that happened given the reaction from some at trading down later in the 1st round.

It's interesting because you wonder if the Leafs had made that trade and had identified the guys they wanted in the second round already if they'd have been more open to using the #24 pick where it was. So assuming they use the extra picks to take the same guys they might have ended up with Dermott, Bracco and Dzierkals and say...Barzal and Konecny vs. Marner.

Or, if we're being super revisionist, the Leafs could have used #'s 8, 24, 34, 38 and 58 to wind up with something like Meier, Konecny, Dermott, Sprong and Bracco.

Ultimately I'd probably say I'm happier the Leafs stayed where they were but it's an interesting question.

 

[hobarth]

So Columbus tried to trade for #4 and the Leafs asking price was #'s 8, 34, 38, 58.

I imagine many fans melting down had that happened given the reaction from some at trading down later in the 1st round.

I'm wondering if there is a position by position breakdown by percentages of a draft choice's chances of becoming an NHL player, e.g. what are the chances of the #8 choice of making the NHL, or the #15 choice or the #24 choice?

http://www.tsn.ca/playing-the-percentages-in-the-nhl-draft-1.206144 which led to this http://www2.tsn.ca/fantasy_news/story/?id=455673

"So, this is reasonably what we would expect. 80% of first-round picks, 44% of second-round picks, and 30% of third-round picks will become low-level (or better) NHL players."

Is a draft about acquiring low level NHL players from the first round, say a Gauthier, I don't think so, it's about hitting a home run no matter where in the 1st round you draft from, it's like a lottery if you don't buy a ticket you'll never win, if you don't pick with your 1st round choice then you probably have next to no chance to hit a home run. All teams need players but rebuilding ones looking for core potential players are less likely to find that type of player later in the draft.

Was this a volume lucky roll of the dice or a sign of conceit, we shall see I guess. 

 

[hobarth]

Blue Jackets draft video shows Leafs offered pick No. 4 for picks No. 8, 34, 38, 58

http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2015/7/20/9006441/blue-jackets-draft-video-shows-leafs-offered-pick-no-4-for-picks-no-8

"If the Arizona Coyotes didn't take Noah Hanifin, the Leafs were interested in moving away from the Mitch Marner selection in order to move back with the Columbus Blue Jackets, according to a video released on Jackets TV."

This sounds like TO was only interested in Strome not Hanifin or Marner, I don't get this at all?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

It sounds more to me like Columbus wanted Hanifin, so as long as he was available they would have considered moving up to 4 to pick him. If Arizona picked Hanifin then Columbus wouldn't have been interested at all.

 

[bustaheims]

Blue Jackets draft video shows Leafs offered pick No. 4 for picks No. 8, 34, 38, 58

http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2015/7/20/9006441/blue-jackets-draft-video-shows-leafs-offered-pick-no-4-for-picks-no-8

"If the Arizona Coyotes didn't take Noah Hanifin, the Leafs were interested in moving away from the Mitch Marner selection in order to move back with the Columbus Blue Jackets, according to a video released on Jackets TV."

This sounds like TO was only interested in Strome not Hanifin or Marner, I don't get this at all?

But, the Coyotes didn't take Hanifin, so something here is very very wrong.