2016-2017 NHL Thread

[herman]

Laine out with a concussion.

 

[Highlander]

Hate to see Laine go down. Was such a horserace between him and Matthews. I would doubt he will see action in the next month if that quickly.
Let knock wood on Matthews and hope he remains well.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Patrick Laine was knocked out in the Buffalo/Winnipeg game today.  Completely clean hit.

https://streamable.com/ab2sh

Here it is with sound:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9U3hhIyfP3E[/youtube]

I hope he's okay. TSN said he was able to leave the arena and board the bus under his own power.

As much as I hate fights after clean hits, I have a lot of respect for Scheiffle there, he was having none of that at all. You have to draw a line in the sand as far as the rookies go.

Scheiffle should of jumped the guy that made the suicide pass up the middle.

 

[Kin]

As much as I hate fights after clean hits, I have a lot of respect for Scheiffle there, he was having none of that at all. You have to draw a line in the sand as far as the rookies go.

I think it's fair to say it's an admirable impulse to want to protect a younger player who just got demolished but I don't think it would actually prevent any similar hit in the future.

Rookie or no, so long as that sort of hit is legal it's going to get thrown on anyone.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

As much as I hate fights after clean hits, I have a lot of respect for Scheiffle there, he was having none of that at all. You have to draw a line in the sand as far as the rookies go.

I think it's fair to say it's an admirable impulse to want to protect a younger player who just got demolished but I don't think it would actually prevent any similar hit in the future.

Rookie or no, so long as that sort of hit is legal it's going to get thrown on anyone.

Absolutely, it won't serve as a deterrent, but there should be consequences for injuring a star rookie, clean hit or not.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Scheiffle should of jumped the guy that made the suicide pass up the middle.

;D

 

[ZBBM]

Two things I've never understood: why people get attacked for landing a legal hit, and why someone's star status makes any difference.

 

[herman]

The game is really really fast, so often things happen on the ice where you only see the result, and not the actual incident. So if you see one of your teammates laid out, but not necessarily how, you're not going to wait for the replays on the screen to finish before deciding whether to respond or not.

 

[Kin]

Two things I've never understood: why people get attacked for landing a legal hit, and why someone's star status makes any difference.

This is actually sort of a thing I'm conflicted on.There is a logic to all that but it's one that's sort of been twisted over the years.

It makes sense for there to be hitting in the game. I don't want hitting out of the game. Despite that, I know there's no way for there to be legal hits but somehow get rid of the incredibly dangerous(but legal) hits like the one McCabe threw here.

This has always been true in hockey. Now, back in the day, I think the "code" that we heard so much about made sense to a degree. If, after McCabe hit Laine, he knew that on his next shift a legit Probert/Semenko sort of goon was going to brain him no matter whether he dropped the gloves or not, I do think that would act as a sort of deterrent to those sorts of hits being thrown at star players. Teams have a vested interest in their stars not being hurt so it made sense to have players that protected them from the dangerous but legal hits.

The problem is that whole thing got warped over the years into the staged goon fights, the results of which were a lot of reckless and unstable guys filling the goon roles which meant that A) the responses were then less likely to be reasonable and B) often times it was the goons themselves responsible for the dirty plays.

As a result you had things like the Bertuzzi incident, which fairly convinced the league that you shouldn't trust hockey players to dole out punishment, but then you had things like the Janssen hit on Kaberle where "retribution" took the form of one guy who fought fighting another guy who fought to no real damage.

So it makes perfect sense for teams to try and dissuade other teams from throwing legal but dangerous hits on their stars but I don't think we have a way to do that right now. Scheifele throwing fists isn't going to deter anyone from anything but I don't see an easy solution out there either.

 

[bustaheims]

This has always been true in hockey. Now, back in the day, I think the "code" that we heard so much about made sense to a degree. If, after McCabe hit Laine, he knew that on his next shift a legit Probert/Semenko sort of goon was going to brain him no matter whether he dropped the gloves or not, I do think that would act as a sort of deterrent to those sorts of hits being thrown at star players. Teams have a vested interest in their stars not being hurt so it made sense to have players that protected them from the dangerous but legal hits.

See, this is where the whole idea falls apart for me. Players generally have a fraction of a second to decide whether or not to deliver a hit. In that time, I don't see them identifying the player they're targeting, thinking about who is on the bench for the other team, and whether or not the hit will result in someone coming after them/someone else on their team. That's a lot of information to process in a short time, when their brains are drenched in adrenaline, and such - in other words, not an ideal state for making that kind of analysis.

The whole "code" thing never really washed. I mean, the 70s and 80s were hardly the safest eras in hockey. The biggest differences were the way injuries - especially concussions - were diagnosed, and the fact that the players weren't basically wearing suits of armor. There was more "give" when guys hit each other back then, which meant less concussions - and, subsequently, less discussion about player safety related to hitting.

 

[Kin]

See, this is where the whole idea falls apart for me. Players generally have a fraction of a second to decide whether or not to deliver a hit. In that time, I don't see them identifying the player they're targeting, thinking about who is on the bench for the other team, and whether or not the hit will result in someone coming after them/someone else on their team. That's a lot of information to process in a short time, when their brains are drenched in adrenaline, and such - in other words, not an ideal state for making that kind of analysis.

I don't agree so much. For starters, I think we should acknowledge that what separates professional hockey players from us shmoes is their ability to make decisions at high speeds. I do think they have enough of an ability to make a "I'm going to throw this huge hit, oh wait it's Laine/Gretzky/Whoever" and slow down enough that it's not quite the monster shot we saw.

Secondly though I really do think that players have a reasonable idea of who's on the ice at any given time. I think where that deterrent exists is in sort of a broader picture "I'm on the ice, so is Laine/Gretzky/Whoever, I'm not going to get in a position on this shift to obliterate someone" thing that's more preventative.

I don't think either thing results in a situation where someone like Laine would never get blown up but I do think it mitigates it to one degree or another.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

See, this is where the whole idea falls apart for me. Players generally have a fraction of a second to decide whether or not to deliver a hit. In that time, I don't see them identifying the player they're targeting, thinking about who is on the bench for the other team, and whether or not the hit will result in someone coming after them/someone else on their team. That's a lot of information to process in a short time, when their brains are drenched in adrenaline, and such - in other words, not an ideal state for making that kind of analysis.

I don't agree so much. For starters, I think we should acknowledge that what separates professional hockey players from us shmoes is their ability to make decisions at high speeds. I do think they have enough of an ability to make a "I'm going to throw this huge hit, oh wait it's Laine/Gretzky/Whoever" and slow down enough that it's not quite the monster shot we saw.

Secondly though I really do think that players have a reasonable idea of who's on the ice at any given time. I think where that deterrent exists is in sort of a broader picture "I'm on the ice, so is Laine/Gretzky/Whoever, I'm not going to get in a position on this shift to obliterate someone" thing that's more preventative.

I don't think either thing results in a situation where someone like Laine would never get blown up but I do think it mitigates it to one degree or another.

I don't agree with any of this. It'd be great if everyone was a nice guy, out there to make the sport better and always looking out for his fellow brother, but the bottom line is, if a guy is cutting up the middle of the ice with the puck and you can step into him with a legal hit, you make that hit..whether it's Laine, Gretzky or whomever. As a coach, I'd be sitting my player on the end of the bench if he passed on a hit because of who it was on.

No player has ever stepped onto the ice and thought "Hey the other teams best player is on the ice, I'm going to make sure to hit him half as hard as I would their 3rd liner." If anything they think "if that hot dog cuts across the middle of the ice with his head down I'm going to lay him out"

 

[disco]

Man, first time I saw it. What a hit, completely clean. You can see the transfer of energy from McCabe's center to Laine's.

When I heard about the concussion I was disappointed, I want all the superstars in the NHL healthy and producing. It's what makes the game great.

Would I be enraged if Matthews got kneed, Marner driven head-first into the boards or Nylander blindsided with a Shane Churla elbow? You bet. But a clean hit in the trolley tracks? Laine would be the first to tell you it's on him.

 

[McGarnagle]

Here it is with sound:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9U3hhIyfP3E[/youtube]

Two observations.

1. Anyone who still believes that a tough guy prevents anyone from targeting a player, well, there's a perfect example - Byfuglien is literally 10 feet away from the play, and it happens anyway. And although not an enforcer in the strictest sense, I'm pretty sure he could do some substantial damage and everyone knows it.

2. This one is likely just my opinion, but I have a hard time watching McCabe giving and recieving high fives and congratulations while exiting the ice while the guy he hit, albeit legally, is still pretty much prone on the ice being attended to by the trainer. I think it's disgraceful and classless behavior.

 

[Guru Tugginmypuddah]

This may not be a popular idea, but maybe it's time to outlaw open ice hitting.  I prefer to watch a high paced game of skill.  I propose a line drawn three feet from the boards around the perimeter of the rink.  Anyone inside the 3 foot space can be hit, but only into the boards.

Having Laine out for probably a couple weeks at a minimum does nothing for the game.

 

[Bender]

I keep rewatching the hit and maybe I'm viewing it wrong, but I can't see that as anything but a clean hit. It's an unfortunate result but I mean it's not a hit to the head, north south, McCabe didn't have that much momentum, and just kind of stood him up really hard. If Laine goes down but gets up a half second later you'd never hear about this. Hits like this aren't scarce in this league, and it's not comparable to a guy boarding a player on the back of the numbers .

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[Kin]

1. Anyone who still believes that a tough guy prevents anyone from targeting a player, well, there's a perfect example - Byfuglien is literally 10 feet away from the play, and it happens anyway. And although not an enforcer in the strictest sense, I'm pretty sure he could do some substantial damage and everyone knows it.

Nobody has ever made the argument that just the presence of a relatively big and strong player on the ice is a deterrent. It's about that player and their willingness/likelihood to then do something about it either on that shift or the next one.

 

[Kin]

I keep rewatching the hit and maybe I'm viewing it wrong, but I can't see that as anything but a clean hit. It's an unfortunate result but I mean it's not a hit to the head, north south, McCabe didn't have that much momentum, and just kind of stood him up really hard. If Laine goes down but gets up a half second later you'd never hear about this. Hits like this aren't scarce in this league, and it's not comparable to a guy boarding a player on the back of the numbers .

I haven't seen anyone argue it was an illegal hit.

 

[Bonsixx]

That hit was a clean, beautiful hockey play. Unfortunately, he got hurt, but that's the way it goes sometimes. He'll probably be back in a week.

Watch the replay of Miami Dolphins QB Matt Moore get disintegrated by a hit and (unbelievably) return 30 seconds later. Some players bounce back immediately, some players don't. Contact sports.

 

[hockeyfan1]

Congratulations to Alex Ovechkin of the Washington Captals, on tying Montreal Canadiens legend Maurice "Rocket" Richsrd's goals total st 544, in classic Ovie-style.


https://www.nhl.com/news/alex-ovechkin-ties-maurice-rocket-richard-in-montreal/c-285512652?tid=277548856