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2022-23 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion

bustaheims said:
Coming off the year he had, with that contract, the injury history, and the NTC . . . I'm not surprised he wasn't moved or that there may not have even been much interest around the league. Everyone in the league knew the Leafs' situation. No one was going to do them any favours, and Muzzin wasn't exactly a high value asset anymore.

As much as we would have liked the team to have moved him - and I'm sure members of the organization would have liked to free up that cap space and use if more effectively - it wasn't going to be easy, if it was even possible.

The sad thing is it probably would have been fairly easy to move him if he and the team knew in the offseason his playing days were done and he'd be retired/LTIR'd.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
bustaheims said:
Coming off the year he had, with that contract, the injury history, and the NTC . . . I'm not surprised he wasn't moved or that there may not have even been much interest around the league. Everyone in the league knew the Leafs' situation. No one was going to do them any favours, and Muzzin wasn't exactly a high value asset anymore.

As much as we would have liked the team to have moved him - and I'm sure members of the organization would have liked to free up that cap space and use if more effectively - it wasn't going to be easy, if it was even possible.

The sad thing is it probably would have been fairly easy to move him if he and the team knew in the offseason his playing days were done and he'd be retired/LTIR'd.

Possibly, though, at what kind of cost to get a team to bite on that?
 
bustaheims said:
Possibly, though, at what kind of cost to get a team to bite on that?

I think the cost of dumping LTIR contracts has gone down a fair bit lately. Although the flip side is Toronto could have just kept his contract and put him on LTIR themselves. An extra $4-5mil could have been huge this offseason.

On the one hand I guess no one should be really surprised if that's it for Muzzin, but on the other his recovery late last season and into the playoffs was very promising. It was the best he's looked in awhile.
 
Well, that signing didn't go as planned. They really don't have any pressure to make a roster move here (could have just sent Holmberg down, I don't think he's really fully NHL ready at this point), so I'm a little surprised they're doing this now.

I guess one bright side here would be it'd clear a contract slot if he gets claimed.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Well, that signing didn't go as planned. They really don't have any pressure to make a roster move here (could have just sent Holmberg down, I don't think he's really fully NHL ready at this point), so I'm a little surprised they're doing this now.

I guess one bright side here would be it'd clear a contract slot if he gets claimed.

Maybe doing something right by the player...I don't know.  I don't think it's a coincidence that they're putting Simmonds back in after the Matthews scrum, and they want to get Robertson in the lineup.
 
He's been kinda Crappy-Kubel to be honest.  This would also open up a roster spot if someone claims him.  Leafs need that flexibility
 
Similar thing happened to him last year. Seems like he might just be the type of guy that needs a really really good fit to be successful, and the Leafs aren't that.
 
Rob said:
Bender said:
herman said:
https://twitter.com/nhl_watcher/status/1588295970890346497

Obviously I want him to be better and have nothing in hockey impact his life. All the more head scratchy as to why, if they knew Muzzin had a ton of miles on him, did they not even entertain the idea of trading him. The only defense would be that he wouldn't pass the physical.

Maybe because Muzzin has a NTC? 

NTCs have not stopped a team from shopping a player and asking them to waive. The Leafs have repeatedly stated their intention to keep Muzzin basically his whole tenure here.
 
Bender said:
NTCs have not stopped a team from shopping a player and asking them to waive. The Leafs have repeatedly stated their intention to keep Muzzin basically his whole tenure here.

Of course they?re going to say that. Unless you have clear, undeniable reasons why you?d want a player out of your organization (like they?re causing very public issues, clearly not wanting to be there anymore, etc.), they requested a trade, or you?re in a rebuilding period, you?re never going to say anything other than it?s the team?s intention to keep them around. But, it doesn?t actually mean anything. Plenty of teams have said that about players, coaches, other staff members, etc., only to move them, fire them, etc., not long after.

It?s very possible the Leafs entertained the idea of moving him. They may have even had informal chats with teams about it. All we know with absolute certainty is that there wasn?t a move they felt was in the team?s interest to make.
 
That's a beginning of righting a very poor off season of signing bodies rather than looking for actual hockey players. Now TO needs to remove Jarnkrok, Reese, Malgin and Mete, moving Murray wouldn't be a bad idea, adding a chronically injured goalie isn't a masterstrock unless he costs no assets and little Cap space.

Kampf is tolerable on the 4th line but he really doesn't add much, he's a decent PKer but little else.

TO has too many marginal players, I get that the Cap has hampered the Leafs from adding quality reinforcements, that's where a quality GM shows his value.
 

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