2023 Draft Discussion
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https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/709773/easton-cowan
Ranked #70 by CONSOLIDATED RANKING
Ranked #66 by ELITEPROSPECTS.COM
Ranked #118 by FCHOCKEY
Ranked #70 by FLOHOCKEY/CHRIS PETERS
Ranked #78 by DAILY FACEOFF
Ranked #89 by THE HOCKEY NEWS
Ranked #53 by TSN/BOB McKENZIE
Ranked #78 by MCKEEN'S HOCKEY
Ranked #34 by TSN/CRAIG BUTTON
Ranked #51 by NHL CENTRAL SCOUTING (NA Skaters)
Ranked #59 by HPR/SHANE MALLOY
Ranked #87 by RECRUIT SCOUTING
Ranked #55 by DOBBERPROSPECTS
Ranked #102 by DRAFT PROSPECTS HOCKEY
Ranked #68 by SMAHT SCOUTING
Button's opinion wouldn't rank very high on my list.
Very good chance they could have traded down and still got him ....
Liked the Holmberg signing. Kampf signing and this pick - not so much.
Ranked #70 by CONSOLIDATED RANKING
Ranked #66 by ELITEPROSPECTS.COM
Ranked #118 by FCHOCKEY
Ranked #70 by FLOHOCKEY/CHRIS PETERS
Ranked #78 by DAILY FACEOFF
Ranked #89 by THE HOCKEY NEWS
Ranked #53 by TSN/BOB McKENZIE
Ranked #78 by MCKEEN'S HOCKEY
Ranked #34 by TSN/CRAIG BUTTON
Ranked #51 by NHL CENTRAL SCOUTING (NA Skaters)
Ranked #59 by HPR/SHANE MALLOY
Ranked #87 by RECRUIT SCOUTING
Ranked #55 by DOBBERPROSPECTS
Ranked #102 by DRAFT PROSPECTS HOCKEY
Ranked #68 by SMAHT SCOUTING
Button's opinion wouldn't rank very high on my list.
Very good chance they could have traded down and still got him ....
Liked the Holmberg signing. Kampf signing and this pick - not so much.
Kin
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The fact that we saw absolutely no trades suggests to me teams weren't all that interested in trading up because they think there's not a huge gap in the 20-50 range and/or they're really valuing the late 2nds/early 3rds that are usually the currency in those trades. So for all of the "they should have traded down and drafted him anyway" I wonder what we're really saying they missed out on.
After the initial shock of drafting somebody that no one previously heard of has worn off I dislike the pick a little bit less. I think there's a legitimate case to be made that he's a bit of a late bloomer as someone who didn't play his D-1 season in the OHL. Few people would have had him on their draft lists at the start of this season after playing in whatever the heck the GOJHL is in 21/22. So he had an uphill battle to climb up everyone's draft rankings this season. And after finishing in the 3rd round range it seems like he had a late season push in the playoffs to increase his stock even more.
The outlet who had him the highest was HockeyProspect.com which ranked him 29th. For whatever it's worth that outlet was also the only one that had Matthew Knies as a 1st round prospect in 2021 (they actually ranked him 13th).
Watching Carolina and Colorado both also pass on two of the guys I wanted (Cristall and Brindley) at 30 and 31 also makes me think that maybe they weren't exactly slam dunk picks in that area that I thought they were.
I'll always want someone with the highest offensive potential when we're talking 1st round picks and Cowan definitely wasn't that. Doesn't mean it was a waste of a pick though. He's poised to have a pretty big D+1 season with the Knights based on how his season ended. I'll give this one some time.
I still hate the Kampf signing though.
The outlet who had him the highest was HockeyProspect.com which ranked him 29th. For whatever it's worth that outlet was also the only one that had Matthew Knies as a 1st round prospect in 2021 (they actually ranked him 13th).
Watching Carolina and Colorado both also pass on two of the guys I wanted (Cristall and Brindley) at 30 and 31 also makes me think that maybe they weren't exactly slam dunk picks in that area that I thought they were.
I'll always want someone with the highest offensive potential when we're talking 1st round picks and Cowan definitely wasn't that. Doesn't mean it was a waste of a pick though. He's poised to have a pretty big D+1 season with the Knights based on how his season ended. I'll give this one some time.
I still hate the Kampf signing though.
Guru Tugginmypuddah
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Most of the scouting reports I've read have mentioned his intelligence. Yesterday, Wes Clark said they were looking for hockey intelligence.
I guess they feel with his hockey intelligence they can work on the other parts of the game he may be lacking.
Will be curious to see how this pick pans out.
I guess they feel with his hockey intelligence they can work on the other parts of the game he may be lacking.
Will be curious to see how this pick pans out.
Jolly good show chaps
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Going slightly off topic, I was wondering if there is a rule about not being able to trade a draft pick for a certain amount of time after drafting them? E.g. do you have to wait a year before doing so? I assume there is a restricted period, because you don't see teams attempting to trade for players they'd have taken but missed out on, or including them in deals when the trade deadline reopens.
Guilt Trip
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As far as I know there's no time period.Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington said:
If Wes Clark is rumoured to be leaving to go with Dubas, I'd release him after this pick.
Yes I/We obviously have little idea of this kid's eventual worth but when you have 15 scouting services
unanimouslyranking him well off #28 this is a wasted pick - also caused by not being able to actually select him with a 2nd pick or trade down to get a 2nd.
I hate to dump on the kid and obviously I hope he's the next Marner but....yeesh.
Yes I/We obviously have little idea of this kid's eventual worth but when you have 15 scouting services
unanimouslyranking him well off #28 this is a wasted pick - also caused by not being able to actually select him with a 2nd pick or trade down to get a 2nd.
I hate to dump on the kid and obviously I hope he's the next Marner but....yeesh.
L K
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Joe said:
I mean while Brad was supposed to not use his scouting knowledge from Calgary...how do you actually enforce that. Cowan could have been the 3rd best prospect on Calgary's draft board. He also could have been ranked 200th by their scouts. I doubt Brad had no actual input in the pick.
bustaheims
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Confusing pick, for sure, but the scouting staff has been pretty good recently, so I'm optimistic. Not confident it will work out, but, clearly they saw something in him to take him ahead of guys that were publicly ranked well ahead of him.
Bill_Berg
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I'll wait a see with Cowan, like any late first-round pick, but I find the comments that Treliving messed up baffling. Not here so much as Twitter. I highly doubt Treliving came roaring in and demanded this pick. He's too new, he's trusting the scouting staff. If Cowan is a dud, I put 0% of that blame on Treliving.
herman
Well-known member
28. Easton Cowan
Dislikes
[*]I don't know him. That's a me problem, not a prospect problem, as I knew of like maybe 2 players with any comfort level.
[*]Off the board, but everybody's board is different; a lot of the high end guys still on the board were of the smaller variety.
[*]Very small sample of excellence (latest playoffs)
Likes
[*]Centre! Even though he mostly played wing, he has a good mix of scoring and distributing even without an overwhelming shot
[*]Young for the draft
[*]Rookie with limited D-1/-2 data/metrics getting top line trust and minutes on a high-end OHL team with Mem Cup aspirations?
[*]High floor: in my opinion, a players floor is established by their motor (and trustworthiness), and Cowan's seems to be his calling card
[*]Potentially high ceiling too! hockey-vision/IQ/creativity whatever they call it, establishes the max potential of a prospect; reaching that potential requires the physical tools and the right environment to nurture it
[*]He looks like a happy-go-lucky faasthole from the highlights I've seen.
[*]Projectable scoring methods: he's not bullying juniors with size or abnormal speed; he's scoring from dirty ice with effort and chaining plays in all three zones.
[*]Next level playoff gear
Now I have to try to catch some London Knights viewings again
Fingers crossed we landed a Brayden Point
Dislikes
[*]I don't know him. That's a me problem, not a prospect problem, as I knew of like maybe 2 players with any comfort level.
[*]Off the board, but everybody's board is different; a lot of the high end guys still on the board were of the smaller variety.
[*]Very small sample of excellence (latest playoffs)
Likes
[*]Centre! Even though he mostly played wing, he has a good mix of scoring and distributing even without an overwhelming shot
[*]Young for the draft
[*]Rookie with limited D-1/-2 data/metrics getting top line trust and minutes on a high-end OHL team with Mem Cup aspirations?
[*]High floor: in my opinion, a players floor is established by their motor (and trustworthiness), and Cowan's seems to be his calling card
[*]Potentially high ceiling too! hockey-vision/IQ/creativity whatever they call it, establishes the max potential of a prospect; reaching that potential requires the physical tools and the right environment to nurture it
[*]He looks like a happy-go-lucky faasthole from the highlights I've seen.
[*]Projectable scoring methods: he's not bullying juniors with size or abnormal speed; he's scoring from dirty ice with effort and chaining plays in all three zones.
[*]Next level playoff gear
Now I have to try to catch some London Knights viewings again
Fingers crossed we landed a Brayden Point
L K said:
At the same time what's more likely, Brad would come in and have some input but ultimately let the scouting staff do their jobs as they are paid to do as professionals, or Brad comes in and says he knows better than the scouting staff? Hard to believe the latter. Seems to me he probably let the scouting staff do their jobs like most professionals would.