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2023 Draft Discussion

herman said:
28. Easton Cowan

Dislikes
[*]I don't know him. That's a me problem, not a prospect problem, as I knew of like maybe 2 players with any comfort level.
[*]Off the board, but everybody's board is different; a lot of the high end guys still on the board were of the smaller variety.
[*]Very small sample of excellence (latest playoffs)

Likes
[*]Centre! Even though he mostly played wing, he has a good mix of scoring and distributing even without an overwhelming shot
[*]Young for the draft
[*]Rookie with limited D-1/-2 data/metrics getting top line trust and minutes on a high-end OHL team with Mem Cup aspirations?
[*]High floor: in my opinion, a players floor is established by their motor (and trustworthiness), and Cowan's seems to be his calling card
[*]Potentially high ceiling too! hockey-vision/IQ/creativity whatever they call it, establishes the max potential of a prospect; reaching that potential requires the physical tools and the right environment to nurture it
[*]He looks like a happy-go-lucky faasthole from the highlights I've seen.
[*]Projectable scoring methods: he's not bullying juniors with size or abnormal speed; he's scoring from dirty ice with effort and chaining plays in all three zones.

Now I have to try to catch some London Knights viewings again

Fingers crossed we landed a Brayden Point
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[*]Read an excellent review of him on the Athletic.  Farm boy, hard working, intense motor, likes to pick pockets and score off the opportunities he creates for himself. Going to grow to minimum 6' and probably 200Lb.
Could be a steal of a pick. 21 points in 20 playoff games. Coach Hunter when he met him gave him the nickname; Cowboy and its stuck.

 
My son and I were discussing the draft last night, and one thing that we were discussing is the idea that a player could be drafted more than once.  How interesting would it have been if every team last night took Beddard with their first round pick?  Then he essentially gets to negotiate with any team that drafted him, and then he gets to go to the team of his choice.  Rookie cap wages could still apply.  You would probably have to place some sort of rule in place to say that you have to use a pick in the same round in order to get a chance to negotiate, or else the 7th round just becomes a gong show.
 
Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington said:
Going slightly off topic, I was wondering if there is a rule about not being able to trade a draft pick for a certain amount of time after drafting them?  E.g. do you have to wait a year before doing so? I assume there is a restricted period, because you don't see teams attempting to trade for players they'd have taken but missed out on, or including them in deals when the trade deadline reopens.
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No restrictions on trading recently drafted players. You can trade them immediately after you drafted them, if you wanted to. It doesn't happen often, because, if you've just drafted a guy, you generally want them more than what other teams are offering you, otherwise, you probably would have just traded the pick instead of using it.

Only restriction on trading players has to do with matching an offer sheet - can't trade a player retained by matching an offer sheet for 12 months. Everyone else is fair game at all times (except during the holiday roster freeze).
 
Significantly Insignificant said:
My son and I were discussing the draft last night, and one thing that we were discussing is the idea that a player could be drafted more than once.  How interesting would it have been if every team last night took Beddard with their first round pick?  Then he essentially gets to negotiate with any team that drafted him, and then he gets to go to the team of his choice.  Rookie cap wages could still apply.  You would probably have to place some sort of rule in place to say that you have to use a pick in the same round in order to get a chance to negotiate, or else the 7th round just becomes a gong show.
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Would kinda defeat the purpose of the draft.
 
Bender said:
At the same time what's more likely, Brad would come in and have some input but ultimately let the scouting staff do their jobs as they are paid to do as professionals, or Brad comes in and says he knows better than the scouting staff? Hard to believe the latter. Seems to me he probably let the scouting staff do their jobs like most professionals would.
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He was also restricted from participating in any draft preparation
?Nothing has changed, to be honest. We have a process that we put in place. We believe in it. We trust it. And we try to execute it.

?(Treliving) hasn?t had any involvement to this date,? Clark added. ?We stick to our principles and we attack it.?
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Bender said:
At the same time what's more likely, Brad would come in and have some input but ultimately let the scouting staff do their jobs as they are paid to do as professionals, or Brad comes in and says he knows better than the scouting staff? Hard to believe the latter. Seems to me he probably let the scouting staff do their jobs like most professionals would.
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I doubt Treliving was super familiar with players outside of the range where Calgary was expected to pick. GMs really only scout guys in the 1st round, and spend more of their time watching those that might be in range of where it looks like they're going to be drafting. They're responsible for too many other aspects of the team to dedicate time to scouting more than that. Outside of that narrow range, it's the scouting staff that usually makes the call. While this will officially go down as Treliving's first pick with the Leafs, he almost certainly had minimal influence in the decision. Officially, he wasn't involved in any of the team's draft prep (though, I have my doubts he was completely removed), and, even if he was, the most he really would have been involved in would have been reviewing the scouting staff's recommendations and giving his input from there.
 
Significantly Insignificant said:
My son and I were discussing the draft last night, and one thing that we were discussing is the idea that a player could be drafted more than once.  How interesting would it have been if every team last night took Beddard with their first round pick?  Then he essentially gets to negotiate with any team that drafted him, and then he gets to go to the team of his choice.  Rookie cap wages could still apply.  You would probably have to place some sort of rule in place to say that you have to use a pick in the same round in order to get a chance to negotiate, or else the 7th round just becomes a gong show.
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At that point though why even have a draft?

Drafts are bad. They're stupid. They reward incompetence. They're anti-competitive.
 
The only certainty I have from the draft last night is the Habs drafted a huge bust at #5 and Leafs got an absolute steal at 28.
 
Nik said:
Significantly Insignificant said:
My son and I were discussing the draft last night, and one thing that we were discussing is the idea that a player could be drafted more than once.  How interesting would it have been if every team last night took Beddard with their first round pick?  Then he essentially gets to negotiate with any team that drafted him, and then he gets to go to the team of his choice.  Rookie cap wages could still apply.  You would probably have to place some sort of rule in place to say that you have to use a pick in the same round in order to get a chance to negotiate, or else the 7th round just becomes a gong show.
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At that point though why even have a draft?

Drafts are bad. They're stupid. They reward incompetence. They're anti-competitive.
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It could be used as a lever that transitions the NHL away from the draft. 

You still have mechanics in place that allow picks to have value and allow for choice.  Beddard would be an extreme case, and you would still have teams without a first round pick that wouldn't get a negotiation chance.  Teams could then also make a call if they really wanted to be in the negotiation pool for that player or if they wanted to go a different route and negotiate with someone else.  Instead of it being a draft, it would be an announcement of negotiation with a player, but you as a team are limited on who you can negotiate with.

So order would go out the window.  It would be a negotiation priority slot.  Your first slot would be used on a player, but you can't use your slot on a player that a team has used a higher slot than you.
 
Blue Jackets took Gavin Brindley at 34. He was actually Fantilli's line mate in Michigan last season, so that's kinda neat.

And Cristall drops to 40th with the Caps. That's about the extent of my interest here today.
 
Significantly Insignificant said:
It could be used as a lever that transitions the NHL away from the draft. 

You still have mechanics in place that allow picks to have value and allow for choice.  Beddard would be an extreme case, and you would still have teams without a first round pick that wouldn't get a negotiation chance.  Teams could then also make a call if they really wanted to be in the negotiation pool for that player or if they wanted to go a different route and negotiate with someone else.  Instead of it being a draft, it would be an announcement of negotiation with a player, but you as a team are limited on who you can negotiate with.
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You'd basically be nerfing high draft picks as a form of trade capital and really going counter to the purpose of the draft.

So order would go out the window.  It would be a negotiation priority slot.  Your first slot would be used on a player, but you can't use your slot on a player that a team has used a higher slot than you.
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And, this basically nerfs the whole purpose of what you're suggesting, and turning it back into a draft. That is, essentially, what it is now - teams get exclusive negotiating rights to a player by drafting them.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Blue Jackets took Gavin Brindley at 34. He was actually Fantilli's line mate in Michigan last season, so that's kinda neat.

And Cristall drops to 40th with the Caps. That's about the extent of my interest here today.
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We also finally got a trade at pick 43!
 
Significantly Insignificant said:
It could be used as a lever that transitions the NHL away from the draft. 
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Except what you're suggesting both does away with the primary reason for the draft(giving the worst teams exclusive negotiating rights to the best prospects) while also not allowing for the mechanics of the salary cap to push those players to the teams with the most cap space(Again, usually the worst teams). It's more radical, and worse for "competitive balance" than simply getting rid of the draft altogether.

Significantly Insignificant said:
So order would go out the window.  It would be a negotiation priority slot.  Your first slot would be used on a player, but you can't use your slot on a player that a team has used a higher slot than you.
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Or maybe not. After this paragraph I don't know what you're suggesting.
 
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