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2024-25 General Trades and Signings

Couple of bold teams there...gutsy moves.

I don't get the feeling that Tre would be this bold on the Marner file.
 
Frank E said:
Couple of bold teams there...gutsy moves.

I don't get the feeling that Tre would be this bold on the Marner file.
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I don't think there's anything bold at all from the Avs. Rant wasn't going to sign for a number they wanted him at so they had no choice. You can't let an elite player walk for nothing when you can get quality back for that player. It's Tre's job to know what Marner's ask is and if he doesn't want to tell or says he's going to UFA, then he needs to do everything he can to move him. It's that simple.

And just to add...Rant's numbers aren't very good away from Mac. In fact they're pretty terrible. A few examples...at 5v5...Rants xGF% without Mac is 36.5%. Mac's is 53.67% without Rant. HDCF% without Mac is 35%. Mac without Rant is 58.5%. The Avs look at this and think he wants more then Mac? Not a chance.
 
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It's important to note Marner has a full no-movement clause. Rantanen does not. He only has a 9-team no-trade list.

So it's logically simple, but practically extremely difficult. I feel Marner's either signing (which I expect) or walking.
 
Bullfrog said:
It's important to note Marner has a full no-movement clause. Rantanen does not. He only has a 9-team no-trade list.

So it's logically simple, but practically extremely difficult. I feel Marner's either signing (which I expect) or walking.
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I feel Marner will get 8 years, and will be north of of what AM34 is getting. That's how they will frame why Marner is making more than Matthews.
 
Guilt Trip said:
I don't think there's anything bold at all from the Avs. Rant wasn't going to sign for a number they wanted him at so they had no choice. You can't let an elite player walk for nothing when you can get quality back for that player. It's Tre's job to know what Marner's ask is and if he doesn't want to tell or says he's going to UFA, then he needs to do everything he can to move him. It's that simple.

And just to add...Rant's numbers aren't very good away from Mac. In fact they're pretty terrible. A few examples...at 5v5...Rants xGF% without Mac is 36.5%. Mac's is 53.67% without Rant. HDCF% without Mac is 35%. Mac without Rant is 58.5%. The Avs look at this and think he wants more then Mac? Not a chance.
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I'd suggest that moving on from a 100 point player while you're in the middle of a wild card fight is a pretty risky move because you're disrupting your team composition at a critical juncture here.
 
Frank E said:
I'd suggest that moving on from a 100 point player while you're in the middle of a wild card fight is a pretty risky move because you're disrupting your team composition at a critical juncture here.
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There's risk with every move. This is different because they really had no choice. If the Leafs were in the same position, I'd hope they'd trade the player. Again, you can't let guys like Marner/Rant/Willy walk for nothing. Avs got a good return for a pending UFA despite being handcuffed by contract demands.
 
Marner is going to re-sign. All this prelude stuff is just sound and fury. They'll bring him him in high twelves.
 
I was joking about it earlier when the news about the cap going higher than expected popped up, but Marner getting 13 but under 13.25 (Matthews) is the number that is most likely to me, and in a 97+M cap world, that's absorbable, especially with Tavares downsizing.
 
My son’s good friend is tied into the Leaf organization and was at a party a few weeks back.
He was talking to Marner’s brother, for what it’s worth he said Mitch won’t take 13M
He is looking for 15M
 
Guilt Trip said:
There's risk with every move. This is different because they really had no choice. If the Leafs were in the same position, I'd hope they'd trade the player. Again, you can't let guys like Marner/Rant/Willy walk for nothing. Avs got a good return for a pending UFA despite being handcuffed by contract demands.
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Maybe they felt they had no other choice, but a Cup-contending team that trades away a 40-50 goal, 90-100 point "home-grown" superstar well before the trade deadline certainly exhibits a tiny bit of boldness and gutsiness...
 
herman said:
I think the Leafs will throw a contract this way
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Berube connection (played with him for 2.5 seasons but post-Cup era in STL). Has size and speed. Scored 26 goals and 42 points last season but struggled this season. Yeah I wouldn't be shocked if the Leafs checked him out.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Berube connection (played with him for 2.5 seasons but post-Cup era in STL). Has size and speed. Scored 26 goals and 42 points last season but struggled this season. Yeah I wouldn't be shocked if the Leafs checked him out.
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Can't imagine he'd cost all that much in terms of AAV either. Certainly worth a phone call.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Berube connection (played with him for 2.5 seasons but post-Cup era in STL). Has size and speed. Scored 26 goals and 42 points last season but struggled this season. Yeah I wouldn't be shocked if the Leafs checked him out.
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He's a $4.5m cap hit at the moment, and he's walking away from $3.6m real money next season...so it must really be untenable.

Do we really need another LW though? I'd rather spend the space on C.

EDIT: And I understand that the current contract gets torpedoed, I just wanted to mention the current contract AAV for context.
 
Frank E said:
He's a $4.5m cap hit at the moment, and he's walking away from $3.6m real money next season...so it must really be untenable.

Do we really need another LW though? I'd rather spend the space on C.
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All our LW have spent time on IR
 
Frank E said:
Do we really need another LW though? I'd rather spend the space on C.
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It'd create a logjam on wing for sure. But he's a free asset who would come in here presumably on a cheap contract and is a prototypical Berube forward. Even if he's just a 4th liner who bumps Dewar out of the line-up when he's healthy that could be a plus. If he really clicks in the middle-6 maybe he makes another winger a little more expendable in a possible trade for a C.
 
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