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2024-25 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion

Frank E said:
Ya...but fasstholes that are mean.

Knies and McMann aren't intimidating or mean.
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Meanness is a bit implied in the term, but there are varieties of assholery that work. Bennett is an initiator, while ours are more reactive (outside of Domi).

My favourite ones are like Leo Komarov and Joel Eriksson-Ek; they just plant themselves in your kitchen, drink your favourite beverages in your face, eat the slice of cake you were saving, and leave all the dishes (if they bothered to use any) on the table. You can say whatever you want to them, but they just stare blankly past your head and hear nothing.
 
herman said:
Oh so you mean we should get more assholes that can play fast?
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Yes, we need those guys........... in Toronto the Good we call them "Assholes" and they get run out of town. And we lose.

..... in other markets, we call guys like Tkachuk and Cousins and Kreider and Kadri "Leaders". And they win.

I believe the Leafs issue for 57 years is Toronto Culture. Too nice.

Fans are too nice (fans in other markets would never accept amost 6 decades of losing if it was the mecca of the sport). So the product on the ice reflects what the fans are willing to accept.
 
Ozzie said:
Yes, we need those guys........... in Toronto the Good we call them "Assholes" and they get run out of town. And we lose.

..... in other markets, we call guys like Tkachuk and Cousins and Kreider and Kadri "Leaders". And they win.

I believe the Leafs issue for 57 years is Toronto Culture. Too nice.

Fans are too nice (fans in other markets would never accept amost 6 decades of losing if it was the mecca of the sport). So the product on the ice reflects what the fans are willing to accept.
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Too nice? I mean we revered Wendel and Dougie. I don't recall them getting "run out of town." I guess Larry Murphy must've been the biggest asshole around.
 
Bender said:
Too nice? I mean we revered Wendel and Dougie. I don't recall them getting "run out of town." I guess Larry Murphy must've been the biggest asshole around.
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Domi was also very much revered here for most of his tenure as a Leaf. Same with Tucker.

It has nothing to do with guys being assholes or not. It's about whether they can be/are still effective when it matters most - and most of these types that we've seen with the Leafs have not been.
 
Ozzie said:
Yes, we need those guys........... in Toronto the Good we call them "Assholes" and they get run out of town. And we lose.

..... in other markets, we call guys like Tkachuk and Cousins and Kreider and Kadri "Leaders". And they win.

I believe the Leafs issue for 57 years is Toronto Culture. Too nice.

Fans are too nice (fans in other markets would never accept amost 6 decades of losing if it was the mecca of the sport). So the product on the ice reflects what the fans are willing to accept.
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I like how you completely gloss over how Kadri got suspended repeatedly in the playoffs. And the fans had absolutely nothing to do with ‘running him out of town’
 
Ozzie said:
Yes, we need those guys........... in Toronto the Good we call them "Assholes" and they get run out of town. And we lose.

..... in other markets, we call guys like Tkachuk and Cousins and Kreider and Kadri "Leaders". And they win.

I believe the Leafs issue for 57 years is Toronto Culture. Too nice.

Fans are too nice (fans in other markets would never accept amost 6 decades of losing if it was the mecca of the sport). So the product on the ice reflects what the fans are willing to accept.
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Yeah being not a nice fan base has really helped the flyers get a cup in the last 50 years.
 
herman said:
True, but those suspensions had a significant whiff of BS
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Doesn't matter. A leader knows when they have to hold back to not put themselves at risk. On both occasions, he went too far. Whether they deserved the extent of the suspensions he earned is debatable, but neither of those incidents should have played out as they did.
 
The last great Leaf team that made the conference finals was the '01-'02 Leafs.

Domi
Tucker
Corson
Green
Roberts
McCabe
Yushkevich
Belak

Hardly a group of "nice guys".

Shortly after that, we entered the Black Hole Era until Matthews, Marner, Rielly and Nylander were drafted. Then we entered the great regular season team that can't win in the playoffs. Teams that are smaller, faster and skill based.
 
Guru Tugginmypuddah said:
The last great Leaf team that made the conference finals was the '01-'02 Leafs.

Domi
Tucker
Corson
Green
Roberts
McCabe
Yushkevich
Belak

Hardly a group of "nice guys".

Shortly after that, we entered the Black Hole Era until Matthews, Marner, Rielly and Nylander were drafted. Then we entered the great regular season team that can't win in the playoffs. Teams that are smaller, faster and skill based.
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I like how Sundin doesn’t make the list.

Yushkevich didn’t play in the playoffs that year (and I looooved that guy).

Domi, Corson and Belak combined for 3 goals across 54 games between them that playoff run.

Even Tucker only had 4 total goals in 17 games.
 
Joe S. said:
I like how Sundin doesn’t make the list.

Yushkevich didn’t play in the playoffs that year (and I looooved that guy).

Domi, Corson and Belak combined for 3 goals across 54 games between them that playoff run.

Even Tucker only had 4 total goals in 17 games.
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Let's also not forget, this came after years of the Toronto media and a portion of the fanbase wanting to move Sundin for someone tougher/gritttier/more like Gilmour/etc.

If this team and this fanbase has run anyone out of town, it's skilled players that don't have an obvious physical edge to their game.

I mean, just look at the narratives around Nylander and Marner in recent years.
 
bustaheims said:
Let's also not forget, this came after years of the Toronto media and a portion of the fanbase wanting to move Sundin for someone tougher/gritttier/more like Gilmour/etc.

If this team and this fanbase has run anyone out of town, it's skilled players that don't have an obvious physical edge to their game.

I mean, just look at the narratives around Nylander and Marner in recent years.
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Sundin was hurt in that playoffs and had almost 100 PIM during the regular season.

No players that have won so little have received the contracts the Leafs hand out. They've earned their criticism, it's called accountability.
 
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