Auston Matthews

[Zee]

So Brendan Shanahan "liked" the Auston Matthews incident report on twitter.

 

[Kin]

Fair point. I think it's worthwhile to try nonetheless. I can see for some that they'll stick by the team throughout the process regardless of cultural impact, but I would like to see the Leafs and Matthews lead by example here in a more positive way.

Personally, I'd like to know slightly more about what happened before I start prescribing ways in which this can be used to heal society.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

What Matthews is specifically alleged to have done is A) say that he thought trying to get into her car was funny(boo, hiss, be more of an intersectionalist feminist, Auston!) and B) mooned her(which is the potentially illegal act).

Fair enough. For whatever it's worth, it's the act of a group of drunk men trying to get into a car they knew a woman was in at 2am that bothers me the most in this situation. If it ends up that Matthews wasn't really involved in this part I'd be relieved.

 

[Fanatic]

So Brendan Shanahan "liked" the Auston Matthews incident report on twitter.

He might be unaware that it shows up for others. I have liked things before just so that I can easily get back to it if I want. But maybe we should make this a thing now too.

 

[Zee]

So Brendan Shanahan "liked" the Auston Matthews incident report on twitter.

He might be unaware that it shows up for others. I have liked things before just so that I can easily get back to it if I want. But maybe we should make this a thing now too.

I'm not making it a "thing" in so much that's it's funny he would do this.  I mean as president of a billion dollar team you would think he'd had some social media training.

 

[Fanatic]

What Matthews is specifically alleged to have done is A) say that he thought trying to get into her car was funny(boo, hiss, be more of an intersectionalist feminist, Auston!) and B) mooned her(which is the potentially illegal act).

Fair enough. For whatever it's worth, it's the act of a group of drunk men trying to get into a car they knew a woman was in at 2am that bothers me the most in this situation. If it ends up that Matthews wasn't really involved in this part I'd be relieved.

They were known to her and she was known to them. They did not know the door was locked when they went up to the car, so just imagine that they see her (someone they know) and one of them thinks it would be surprising (in a funny way) to open the door sit beside her in the passenger seat and give her the old "how ya doing"? But then the door was locked and she got out and told them to get lost and they did. But when one of the guys realized she was upset he tried to calm her and say "hey hey, sorry, please do not report this because we do not want Auston to get in trouble with the building".

Bad judgement? Yup. Stupid? Yup. As wildly offensive as some make it out to be? No way.

I suspect that if he was not famous and loaded with a lot of $$$ no one would have ever heard about this again.

But then again, maybe everyone needs to wait a minute and see what all sides have to say first. This could actually be dismissed before the end of the day for all we know.

 

[herman]

Fair point. I think it's worthwhile to try nonetheless. I can see for some that they'll stick by the team throughout the process regardless of cultural impact, but I would like to see the Leafs and Matthews lead by example here in a more positive way.

Personally, I'd like to know slightly more about what happened before I start prescribing ways in which this can be used to heal society.

Legally, yes; do the due process.

Public perception has already decided though, so why not establish expectations and reaffirm team values accordingly? I don't really think 'Ah, he was proven completely innocent, thus we will wash our hands of this and be on our merry way' like many in the fanbase seem to want to do is the appropriate response either.

 

[Manson]

I mean, given that she's a security guard that works at his condo, he's probably come across her in the past.  In a drunken stupor he thought it would be funny to jiggle the handle of her car door.  Bad judgement for sure, she reacted the way she did and we're here now.  Again, we don't know all the facts so let's see what happens.

You forgot the butt cheeks part.

 

[Kin]

Fair enough. For whatever it's worth, it's the act of a group of drunk men trying to get into a car they knew a woman was in at 2am that bothers me the most in this situation.

That's the other question the incident report raises to me. So it's 2 AM which, presumably, means it's dark out. The report states that the first thing that alerted her to any presence was the sound of the attempt to open the car.

If it's a marked security vehicle do they know she's inside? Is she the only security guard there or is there a possibility this was less "Let's go mess with that female security guard" and more "let's go mess with that security car". If it's her personal vehicle, again, do they know it's her inside? How?

I appreciate that some people think this reads as a defense of Matthews and his behaviour but all I'm saying is we should maybe wait for a slightly clearer picture of what happened and why before coming to any conclusions. Even if it's just a clearer picture of what the allegations are if we're inclined to believe them regardless.

I don't know what the legal penalty is for what Matthews did or what it maybe should be. Whatever it is, I'm fine if Matthews suffers the full consequences for it short of summary execution due to making her feel threatened.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

They were known to her and she was known to them.

We have no idea what the relationship between all these people are.

 

[Kin]

Legally, yes; do the due process.

Jesus, I'm not even asking for due process. Just a slightly better written incident report would suit me before we start writing the Mindhunter episode this will eventually inspire.

Public perception has already decided though, so why not establish expectations and reaffirm team values accordingly? I don't really think 'Ah, he was proven completely innocent, thus we will wash our hands of this and be on our merry way' like many in the fanbase seem to want to do is the appropriate response either.

Maple Leafs Team Values, A Film By Martin Scorcese:

https://youtu.be/3XGAmPRxV48?t=10

 

[ZBBM]

Can an individual team even suspend a player for something like this? I thought all off-ice, non-team activity related discipline has to come from the league.

Didn't think of that, you might be right.

Well, team or league, the important thing is that management should have the power to suspend their employees for damaging their public image irrespective of legal proceedings, right comrade?

You bet, Vlad.  It comes when you sign a contract and agree to take their money.  Oh wait, that's capitalism.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I don't know what the legal penalty is for what Matthews did or what it maybe should be. Whatever it is, I'm fine if Matthews suffers the full consequences for it short of summary execution due to making her feel threatened.

As disappointed as I am in Matthews' alleged actions, even if we take everything that was in the report as 100% true is that something that would bring about serious legal consequences? I see a fine and maybe community service, but I'll be the first to admit that I'm not exactly an expert here. The "public sexual indecency" complaint feels like it wouldn't be something that causes him to have the book thrown at him since he never fully exposed himself (kept his underwear on).

 

[Kin]

You bet, Vlad.  It comes when you sign a contract and agree to take their money.  Oh wait, that's capitalism.

Absolutely. Nobody was forced to make those Triangle Shirtwaists.

 

[ZBBM]

You bet, Vlad.  It comes when you sign a contract and agree to take their money.  Oh wait, that's capitalism.

Absolutely. Nobody was forced to make those Triangle Shirtwaists.

Way to trivialize a tragedy.

 

[Zee]

Well, the exciting pretrial conference begins in 2 hours, I wonder if Dreger has made his way over yet?

 

[Kin]

You bet, Vlad.  It comes when you sign a contract and agree to take their money.  Oh wait, that's capitalism.

Absolutely. Nobody was forced to make those Triangle Shirtwaists.

Way to trivialize a tragedy.

They have taken untold millions
That they never toiled to earn
But without our brain and muscle
Not a single wheel can turn
We can break their haughty power
Unless we signed a contract that says we can't

Wait, I may have messed up that last line.

 

[Fanatic]

They were known to her and she was known to them.

We have no idea what the relationship between all these people are.

Sure we do. She is the security guard in his building and knows him by name.

 

[Fanatic]

https://www.tsn.ca/toronto-maple-leafs-auston-matthews-says-he-regrets-actions-in-statement-1.1371402

 

[louisstamos]

Not really much of a statement.

"Yeah, I guess I regret stuff and whatever, you know?"