Auston Matthews

[Kin]

I agree with almost all of it except the part where you said it was terrifying. Getting out of the safety of her car to confront a group of men doesn't seem like a normal reaction for someone who is terrified.

I wish we had some sort of indication that perhaps this person has a condition by which they deal with stressful situations abnormally.

My mistake, I should have added in, maybe this is how someone with PTSD reacts with a question mark.

Nope, my bad on that one. I was overly sarcastic. This is a personal thing for me and I'm letting bad instincts take over. I get that it's a complicated issue.

Anyways, to anyone wondering and willing to listen to someone who doesn't have it but has dealt with the reality of a close family member who does(and as is my nature has then educated himself pretty well on it), here are some things to consider:

1. We don't know what trauma may have caused her PTSD so therefore we have no idea as to whether or not this job would increase or decrease the likelihood of being confronted with it. As I said, PTSD is not just "reacting badly to stress" although that can be a part of it.

2. PTSD isn't predictable or constant. The same thing one day that doesn't cause a reaction may cause a different reaction the next day.

3. Because it's so often seen as a personal weakness, people often make choices that may fly in the face of what we think of rational behaviour for someone with it in an attempt to prove themselves capable of "beating" it.

So while I appreciate there's an instinct to try and get to the bottom of this, there's nothing here that's inconsistent for a person with PTSD.

 

[hockeyfan1]

Tavares, Rielly, Babcock comment:

Yeah, it?s tough,? Rielly said. ?He?s taking it very seriously. We understand these issues are serious, and it?s not something that we take lightly. So, that?s how he?s approaching it. He understands the situation, and as teammates we are going to support him.?

Tavares acknowledged there is ?absolutely? a lesson to be learned here about pro athlete privilege, but both he and Babcock argued that it would not affect Matthews? ability to lead or perform.

?How we know Auston, how we see him carry himself, how he treats people every day,? Tavares said, ?and his involvement in the community, we think very highly of him.

?It?s easy to pass judgement and make assumptions, but I think you just let the process carry out.?

?You?re always disappointed. As the Toronto Maple Leafs, we really pride ourselves in doing things right, on the ice and off the ice and treating people. So, it?s an unfortunate situation,? said Babcock.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/allegations-auston-matthews-came-surprise-maple-leafs/

 

[Guilt Trip]

I agree with almost all of it except the part where you said it was terrifying. Getting out of the safety of her car to confront a group of men doesn't seem like a normal reaction for someone who is terrified.

I wish we had some sort of indication that perhaps this person has a condition by which they deal with stressful situations abnormally.

My mistake, I should have added in, maybe this is how someone with PTSD reacts with a question mark.

Nope, my bad on that one. I was overly sarcastic. This is a personal thing for me and I'm letting bad instincts take over. I get that it's a complicated issue.

Anyways, to anyone wondering and willing to listen to someone who doesn't have it but has dealt with the reality of a close family member who does(and as is my nature has then educated himself pretty well on it), here are some things to consider:

1. We don't know what trauma may have caused her PTSD so therefore we have no idea as to whether or not this job would increase or decrease the likelihood of being confronted with it. As I said, PTSD is not just "reacting badly to stress" although that can be a part of it.

2. PTSD isn't predictable or constant. The same thing one day that doesn't cause a reaction may cause a different reaction the next day.

3. Because it's so often seen as a personal weakness, people often make choices that may fly in the face of what we think of rational behaviour for someone with it in an attempt to prove themselves capable of "beating" it.

So while I appreciate there's an instinct to try and get to the bottom of this, there's nothing here that's inconsistent for a person with PTSD.

Well said.

 

[L K]

It was stupid but I?m really baffled by some of the armchair calls for lengthy discipline by the team over this. 

If the worst I saw on an average ER shift was a guy mooning someone in the department I would call that a great day.  It was dumb, immature and reeling of the athletic stereotype of me do dumb stuff.

I would certainly agree with the summary point that Nik gave on why evaluating how someone responds to PTSD is grossly unfair.  Triggers can be variable and the degree of a flashback can be very inconsistent in terms of how long the episode can last.  I would caution though that I have not had very much experience with the PTSD response to be for someone to yell out about they have PTSD while in an episode.  I think from my reading of the report that it sounds more like her response was not an action or a PTSD flare and more someone who was scared/angered by the scenario and brought up her PTSD in her argument with Matthews. 

 

[L K]

Doesn't that kind of raise another question? People seemed to take the incident report saying that the Security Guard recognized him to mean she knew he was Auston Matthews, star hockey player and millionaire but what if it just meant that she recognized him as Auston Matthews, guy who lives in the building?

That was certainly how I read the report.  It read like a report of someone describing an individual known to the victim by person not by reputation.  I think that certainly alters some of the context of the encounter from Matthews side as well.  She didn?t invite the encounter and it doesn?t make him a good person simply by knowing her but the actions toward someone known to him versus a complete stranger at least add a shade of colour to the discussion.

 

[herman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe314lVNWc8
Scottsdale police have released body cam footage of the full complainant testimony (30 min).

 

[CarltonTheBear]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe314lVNWc8
Scottsdale police have released body cam footage of the full complainant testimony (30 min).

This seems incredibly unnecessary.

 

[L K]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe314lVNWc8
Scottsdale police have released body cam footage of the full complainant testimony (30 min).

This seems incredibly unnecessary.

Unbelievably so.  I honestly can?t think of the last time raw witness interviews were released like this.  Hell I?ve been to court far too many times over the last 3 years and can?t recall a single case having stuff like this happen.

 

[BermudaBudsFan]

Very strange for the Leafs to have not been made aware of what was going on.

Is it though? If you get a DUI how quickly are you telling your boss?

I appreciate that the Leafs would have wanted to know about it sooner but it's really not that strange at all for Matthews to want to keep this as quiet as possible.

Maybe, but it?s a trust thing and also about courtesy.  Even if he thought it wasn?t going to come out (which is sort of silly, because US court dockets tend to be public), if there is a chance it comes out you must tell them.  They should be given the courtesy of being prepared if it becomes public.  He knows the media in Toronto is nuts.

It?s a breach of trust, IMHO

 

[Zee]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe314lVNWc8
Scottsdale police have released body cam footage of the full complainant testimony (30 min).

This seems incredibly unnecessary.

Unbelievably so.  I honestly can?t think of the last time raw witness interviews were released like this.  Hell I?ve been to court far too many times over the last 3 years and can?t recall a single case having stuff like this happen.

Have you been to court where a celebrity was being charged?

 

[rdowdall]

If the security guard is a man, does Matthews and his group of friends try this?

I guess what I am getting at is did he and his friends target a woman to intimidate, or did they try and just pull a prank on a security guard, and that renders the sex of the security guard irrelevant?  Does anyone think the goal was to intimidate a woman?

 

[herman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe314lVNWc8
Scottsdale police have released body cam footage of the full complainant testimony (30 min).

This seems incredibly unnecessary.

Unbelievably so.  I honestly can?t think of the last time raw witness interviews were released like this.  Hell I?ve been to court far too many times over the last 3 years and can?t recall a single case having stuff like this happen.

I don?t regret watching it. I would like to tell the victim blamers to stuff it.

 

[hockeyfan1]

If the security guard is a man, does Matthews and his group of friends try this?

I guess what I am getting at is did he and his friends target a woman to intimidate, or did they try and just pull a prank on a security guard, and that renders the sex of the security guard irrelevant?  Does anyone think the goal was to intimidate a woman?

That?s what I?m wondering about as well.

 

[Bullfrog]

I don?t regret watching it. I would like to tell the victim blamers to stuff it.

Do you mean victim shaming/minimizing? I haven't heard anyone suggest "she deserved it" or brought it on.

 

[herman]

I don?t regret watching it. I would like to tell the victim blamers to stuff it.

Do you mean victim shaming/minimizing? I haven't heard anyone suggest "she deserved it" or brought it on.

That?s probably a better description. I do want to cover the people who are blaming her for overreacting though, or insinuating she?s in for the money.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

So a few new points of information from this video, for those interested.

First, the security guard said she spoke to a manager from the condo who viewed all the video tapes the next day. The manager said she reached out to Matthews' dad and he said Auston denied all this happening despite the fact that he was on tape with his pants down. She says she never intended to push charges until the Matthews family denied this and tried to make it look her she was a liar. She says that she doesn't want Matthews to develop a pattern of this behavior and getting away with it. She says the Matthews family tried to get in contact with her through the condo but she didn't want to talk to them.

She also claims that a condo board member told her that if she wanted to press charges they would support her because the "resident has been an issue for us anyway". Her words of what the board member said.

The guard makes it clear that the act of trying to get into the car is what she was most upset about, not pulling his pants down.

All of the testimony makes it seem like she had no idea who Matthews was during the entire situation, aside from that he was a resident of the building. She says that the condo manager she was speaking to gave her his name the next day.

 

[L K]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe314lVNWc8
Scottsdale police have released body cam footage of the full complainant testimony (30 min).

This seems incredibly unnecessary.

Unbelievably so.  I honestly can?t think of the last time raw witness interviews were released like this.  Hell I?ve been to court far too many times over the last 3 years and can?t recall a single case having stuff like this happen.

Have you been to court where a celebrity was being charged?

I won?t go into details because of confidentiality but yes. 

 

[Highlander]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe314lVNWc8
Scottsdale police have released body cam footage of the full complainant testimony (30 min).

This seems incredibly unnecessary.

Unbelievably so.  I honestly can?t think of the last time raw witness interviews were released like this.  Hell I?ve been to court far too many times over the last 3 years and can?t recall a single case having stuff like this happen.

Have you been to court where a celebrity was being charged?

I won?t go into details because of confidentiality but yes.

Is it Kevin O'Leary?  Seriously, there is no attempted physical assault, just a few drunk assholes, which some of us where at this age and probably a real sense of entitlement.  Matthews has been served up a a huge chunk of humble pie and if he chokes on it a little bit even better...Lessons learned the hard way.  I thank God personally for a lot of forgiveness in my own life.. They don't call it the demon Rum for nothing.

 

[rdowdall]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe314lVNWc8
Scottsdale police have released body cam footage of the full complainant testimony (30 min).

This seems incredibly unnecessary.

Unbelievably so.  I honestly can?t think of the last time raw witness interviews were released like this.  Hell I?ve been to court far too many times over the last 3 years and can?t recall a single case having stuff like this happen.

Have you been to court where a celebrity was being charged?

I won?t go into details because of confidentiality but yes.

Is it Kevin O'Leary?  Seriously, there is no attempted physical assault, just a few drunk assholes, which some of us where at this age and probably a real sense of entitlement.  Matthews has been served up a a huge chunk of humble pie and if he chokes on it a little bit even better...Lessons learned the hard way.  I thank God personally for a lot of forgiveness in my own life.. They don't call it the demon Rum for nothing.

If you can find it, listen to Ian Mendes take on the situation on the the Team 1200 today and let me know what you think.  His segment is called the drive.

 

[ZBBM]

The guard makes it clear that the act of trying to get into the car is what she was most upset about, not pulling his pants down.

This is why a substantial team punishment is justified, if he's found guilty.